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gbaikie — 12/16/2004 4:45:26 AM (archived)

"I think that in terms of Education it is similar to Security. Take away America miltary power and the world will devolve into chaos, take away American Education and the world would devolve into ignorance.

LOLOLOLolololol...ol...olol... And take away American humility, and ... oh... subtract zero and there's really no difference. How did the world ever survive without us?"

It didn't.
The current level of technology was non existance 200 years ago. The world is different now as opposed to before America came into existance. Returning this world to the world of 200 years ago, would fit my definition of chaos.
Take away technology and world populations would drop- meaning billions of people starving. That fits my definition of Chaos.
Keep the current level of technology and toss out democracy, and you will get nuclear war. That fits my definition of chaos.
Simply removing the America security presence in Asia and you have trouble. Simply tossing out American treaties obligations associated with NATO, and you have trouble.

Or are you laughing solely at our educational influence in the world?
I wouldn't underestimate that influence. That fact that we have ever increasing number of democracies in this world I would say is directly attributable to American soft power.

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The struggle continues - Fox - 12/15/2004 12:24:22 AM
- Maybe they'll have a "science" fair - jms - 12/19/2004 1:34:03 AM
  - That's a hoot. - Tom Brosz - 12/19/2004 4:31:38 AM
- "struggle?" - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 1:54:38 AM
  - Pumping "sh*t" down childrens'throats? - Lindy - 12/16/2004 3:47:06 PM
    - Gotta admit, I can't disagree with that statement. - Tom Brosz - 12/16/2004 6:23:52 PM
  - Don't these folks worry about their kids becoming Applewhiteians or Raelians or whatever? - alcaray - 12/16/2004 12:21:22 AM
  - Speaking of education - ebnelson - 12/15/2004 3:46:48 PM
    - I would suggest Bob Jones University is an appropriate choice............. (n/t) - Publius - 12/17/2004 2:28:46 AM
      - Maybe for your kids? - ebnelson - 12/17/2004 10:44:05 PM
  - and to the point - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 3:26:34 PM
    - You ask........ - Publius - 12/17/2004 10:54:24 PM
  - re: "struggle?" - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 1:46:42 PM
    - Jeez that felt good! (n/t) - alcaray - 12/18/2004 1:00:24 AM
      - Probably what they feel like when they listen to Rush or ORiley. - alcaray - 12/18/2004 1:02:08 AM
    - ROTFLMAO - Lindy - 12/16/2004 3:50:07 PM
    - Oh, and PS (and help me out, Fox, Tony, Alcary, Mary Anne- I only have a limited memory) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 2:53:15 PM
      - Add everything that appeared below since I was last here, and I'd say it was well covered. (n/t) - Fox - 12/16/2004 4:38:27 AM
      - re: That countries with borders are sovereign, is a meaningless notion - Raoul - 12/15/2004 10:27:27 PM
      - Only line I'm waiting for now is "Laugh it up hairballs" ;-) (n/t) - Tony - 12/15/2004 9:59:08 PM
        
        Or howabout: "That Space-Alien UFOlogy reasoning tecniques apply to decisions regarding war and national security" (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 11:22:55 PM
      - That slippery slopes only exist for gun control and creeping socialism - Tony - 12/15/2004 8:29:54 PM
        
        That human life begins at conception, despite the underdetermination, and upon that faith-based assertion or opinion, laws should be passed that make everyone act accordingly (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 8:54:19 PM
      - that Republicans are desperate for careers in teaching the humanities, but the liberals won't let them. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/15/2004 6:52:48 PM
        
        LOL!!!! (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 6:58:05 PM
      - re: Oh, and PS - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 6:38:14 PM
        
        You have to expand the scope to the entire "left" over an entire century to match - alcaray\ - 12/15/2004 6:51:29 PM
        
        You think this is just about Bush? - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 7:07:40 PM
        
        I remember talking to someone who asserted that FDR was going to be the end of the world. - Mary Anne - 12/15/2004 9:37:48 PM
        
        It would be interesting to write an alternate history about what would have happened if Roosevelt had not died in 1945. - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 11:33:55 PM
        
        Interesting - but no less a fantasy than all your other lines. (n/t) - LJ - 12/16/2004 12:20:39 AM
        
        Whatever. To argue against fantasy counterfactuals requires I rejoin with other fantasies. Then we get into an argument about imagined events. Its like a sandbox argument about 'Spiderman could kick… - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 8:42:14 PM
        
        Sometimes figuring out what might have been is fantasy. - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 11:58:30 PM
        
        and you are arguing fantasy - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 1:45:04 AM
        
        The boy has had a lot of 10th times lately---perhaps it's the hundredth monkey effect? (n/t) - Publius - 12/17/2004 2:32:55 AM
        
        But I'm right about Iraq and the Gulf War, aren't I? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/16/2004 1:57:14 AM
        
        What part of: 'not going to indulge in faulty reasoniong' is not clear? (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 3:06:24 PM
        
        Forget it. - Tom Brosz - 12/16/2004 6:17:15 PM
        
        Its fine with me, Tom, If you 'take your toys and go home' on this one. (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 6:33:23 PM
        
        I think Davis post was about very recent history. And that you are going insanely far afield to match it. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/15/2004 7:39:37 PM
        
        Jeez, Davis who? Sorry Davin! Further, Tom... - alcaray - 12/15/2004 7:41:21 PM
        
        No problem, al. You can call me Davis if you have to... - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 3:45:22 PM
        
        HZone in general: ulktimately the litany of error speaks for itself. You can argue these individually until you are blue in the face, but at some point you have to see that its a hionking huge FORRES… (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 6:57:27 PM
        
        Political argument is like a box of chocolates... - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 8:21:55 PM
        
        But what about 'Tasty Spring Surprise'!? - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 8:32:45 PM
      - You want to take me on on missile defense, you'd better pack a lunch. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 6:33:58 PM
        
        After the abort today, *you'd* better pack a bag . . . - Fox - 12/16/2004 4:35:46 AM
        
        So. Do YOU know what happened? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/16/2004 5:45:54 AM
        
        Not precisely, of course -- but I know what *didn't* happen. - Fox - 12/17/2004 2:44:06 AM
        
        Launch warning - Tom Brosz - 12/17/2004 5:52:28 AM
        
        How'd we get from anti-evolutionists to antimissle systems? - Fox - 12/17/2004 4:16:40 PM
        
        antimissile systems - Tom Brosz - 12/17/2004 5:23:18 PM
        
        Good response - thanks for a clear-headed discussion (n/t) - Fox - 12/18/2004 1:29:33 AM
        
        I do prefer them, on the whole. - Tom Brosz - 12/18/2004 2:45:34 AM
        
        You are painting yourself as the expert, why are you asking Fox? (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 4:54:43 PM
      - LOL! Your memory appears fine to me! - Mary Anne - 12/15/2004 6:19:48 PM
        
        Ah! But wait! theres more! (thanks MA) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 6:55:47 PM
      - Bravo, sir! (n/t) - LJ - 12/15/2004 5:10:20 PM
        
        That Fox News is fair and balanced! (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 5:41:30 PM
        
        That O'Reilly is not a conservative - Tony - 12/15/2004 7:17:08 PM
        
        re: That O'Reilly is not a conservative - gbaikie - 12/15/2004 10:51:21 PM
        
        My god, half baked, your right! (Also called: You MIght Be A Nihilist) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 11:36:38 PM
        
        Move over Jeff Foxworthy - Tony - 12/16/2004 5:04:39 PM
        
        Speaking as a red-neck with taste and sophistication - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 5:20:36 PM
        
        That someone who has spent their entire career ridiculing drug addicts and suggesting Bad Things be done to them should be listened to when it turns out he was a pill-popping Oxytute (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 7:28:01 PM
      - Just one thing you missed - Tony - 12/15/2004 3:36:53 PM
        
        Oh, and another: - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 4:19:03 PM
  - re: "the spectre of superstition" - Fox - 12/15/2004 4:33:29 AM
    - re: "the spectre of superstition" - gbaikie - 12/15/2004 8:43:11 AM
      - A link to the first draft of the KS standards document was provided. - Mary Anne - 12/15/2004 2:56:22 PM
        
        re: A link to the first draft of the KS standards document was provided. - gbaikie - 12/15/2004 10:22:30 PM
        
        Full of sound and fury - Mary Anne - 12/16/2004 2:18:35 AM
        
        re: Full of sound and fury - gbaikie - 12/16/2004 4:45:26 AM
        
        Once more, with the html tags corrected - Mary Anne - 12/16/2004 2:26:47 AM
        
        MA, that was one of the best posts I have ever read on the Zone. - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 3:36:48 PM
        
        re: Once more, with the html tags corrected - gbaikie - 12/16/2004 5:02:32 AM

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