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re: No. you give me credit for a better sense of humor than I have.

DALeffler — 10/1/2005 5:09:17 AM (archived)

"That is their prediction: That when we search for these things, we will find them and they will prove to be the ID's fingerprints."

That's what I find wrong with ID: Not that someone will find something that contradicts evolution, but the conclusion that someone finding something that contradicts evolution proves anything other than evolution being wrong.

"I dont see the difference between this kind of prediction and for example predicting that such a thing as a black hole exists. And that when we look for them we will find distant locations in space that will have spectrum signatures that we predict black holes will have."

The difference as I see it is that ID has us turning over every stone in the universe looking for one example that explicitly contradicts ID whereas ANY stone overturned that contradicts accepted theory somehow lends credence the theory of ID.

The whole thread (48 posts)

ID Is Scientifically Testable - ID - 9/28/2005 11:12:22 AM
- What does ID Predict? - DALeffler - 9/29/2005 2:11:58 AM
  - re: What does ID Predict? - alcaray - 9/29/2005 9:20:58 PM
    - OK. But... - DALeffler - 9/30/2005 12:47:54 AM
      - That was alcaray's point - Fox - 9/30/2005 1:46:27 AM
        
        No. you give me credit for a better sense of humor than I have. - alcaray - 9/30/2005 3:13:45 PM
        
        re: No. you give me credit for a better sense of humor than I have. - DALeffler - 10/1/2005 5:09:17 AM
        
        that's very similar to my objection - alcaray - 10/2/2005 4:53:02 PM
        
        re: I disagree... - DALeffler - 10/3/2005 6:52:28 PM
        
        re: I disagree... - alcaray - 10/3/2005 9:46:44 PM
        
        PS: thanks for the intellegent discussion! (n/t) - alcaray - 10/4/2005 3:25:36 PM
        
        re: Transformation - Raoul - 10/2/2005 5:28:20 PM
        
        Could be a granularity problem - alcaray - 10/3/2005 3:05:56 PM
        
        My turn for "oops..." - Fox - 9/30/2005 7:46:19 PM
        
        Oops... - DALeffler - 9/30/2005 2:08:28 AM
  - Excellent point - Fox - 9/29/2005 2:07:04 PM
- So what? Science doesnh't have a monopoly on deciding truth and fact. - Jacob Samorodin - 9/28/2005 10:44:34 PM
  - If it is "philosophy", it does not belong in a public school science classroom - Fox - 9/29/2005 3:11:19 PM
    - Damn.... - R.L. - 9/29/2005 6:18:57 PM
  - Science DOES have a monopoly on deciding truth and fact. - nick hoffman - 9/29/2005 6:29:23 AM
  - re: So what? Science doesnh't have a monopoly on deciding truth and fact. - R.L. - 9/29/2005 12:03:43 AM
    - You're thinking viserally, not coldly logically. - Jacob Samorodin - 9/29/2005 1:41:04 AM
      - You're not thinking, period... - R.L. - 9/29/2005 4:34:02 AM
        
        ARRRGHHH.... TYPOS!!! - R.L. - 9/29/2005 2:54:53 PM
- re: Lavoisier said... - Raoul - 9/28/2005 9:15:05 PM
- Common sense - Tom Brosz - 9/28/2005 7:45:46 PM
  - Everybody thinks the first cause problem proves their point. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/28/2005 9:49:06 PM
    - Well, that's Unanimous then... (n/t) - nick hoffman - 9/29/2005 6:38:51 AM
- Their idea to find things in biology that could not have arisen from prior states is interesting... - alcaray - 9/28/2005 4:29:22 PM
  - re: Their idea to find things in biology that could not have arisen from prior states is interesting... - LJK - 9/28/2005 4:50:27 PM
    - There's nothing at all "Judaeo" about the intelligent design movement. - Fox - 9/28/2005 7:07:56 PM
    - re: Their idea to find things in biology that could not have arisen from prior states is interesting... - AHB - 9/28/2005 5:45:00 PM
      - re: Their idea to find things in biology that could not have arisen from prior states is interesting... - stephen jones - 9/28/2005 10:13:20 PM
        
        re: Their idea to find things in biology that could not have arisen from prior states is interesting... - LJK - 9/29/2005 1:58:56 PM
- re: ID Is Scientifically Testable - Day-late - 9/28/2005 3:36:13 PM
  - Life finds a way - LJK - 9/28/2005 3:50:07 PM
- Quotes of note from the MSNBC article - LJK - 9/28/2005 1:26:43 PM
  - re: Quotes of note from the MSNBC article - Doug Ellison - 9/28/2005 6:04:31 PM
  - The fossil record versus human breeding of domesticated animals - SDF - 9/28/2005 1:48:56 PM
    - It just proves humans are more intelligent than 'God'.... - R.L. - 9/29/2005 6:22:45 PM
      - example of predation - Adam - 9/29/2005 11:09:02 PM
        
        They're lucky they didn't leave the dog on a leash on the front porch. (n/t) - SDF - 9/30/2005 11:44:44 AM
        
        Wild Gorillas Witnessed Using Tools - LJK - 10/2/2005 5:54:09 AM
        
        And there is this: Trunkmonkey - R.L. - 10/2/2005 8:27:56 AM
    - Mike Fiore's Supernatural Selection - LJK - 9/29/2005 3:10:48 AM
      - From one of them rocket scientist types - LJK - 9/29/2005 2:45:37 PM
        
        re: From one of them rocket scientist types - SDF - 9/30/2005 11:46:11 AM
        
        Care to elaborate? - R.L. - 10/1/2005 9:32:09 PM

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