What he didn't say.....

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What he didn't say.....

Michael Mozina — 12/6/2005 12:55:48 AM (archived)

"The consistent structures in the movie are caused by stationary flows in magnetic structures, sunspots and active regions."

What he couldn't and didn't explain back then, and certainly didn't say in his paper is what holds such magnetics structures "stationary" over hours, days and weeks. You'll notice that in his most paper he offered NO such magnetic explaination for these images and in fact he points out the difficulty in even trying to suggest such a thing. In essense his later papers refutes his early explanation, and we have a stratified layer that is blocking plasma flows right in the middle of the convection zone, 4800Km beneath the photosphere.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1641599.stm

Now of course unlike Dr. Kosovichev, maybe you could explain to us what holds these magnetic fields "stationary" in 3D?

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The surface of the sun - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 5:04:01 PM
- Geez... - Tom Brosz - 12/6/2005 7:55:39 PM
- Some solar links of interest - Laurie Street - 12/5/2005 9:56:24 PM
  - Believe the EVIDENCE, which says that the Sun - David F Mayer - 12/7/2005 4:56:33 PM
    - in other words - hydrostatic equilibrium - Daniel - 12/7/2005 6:39:32 PM
  - To be fair to M&M... - et - 12/6/2005 4:13:14 AM
- Your BSometer is working just fine. - David F Mayer - 12/4/2005 5:51:24 AM
  - Just what we needed. - et - 12/4/2005 4:22:22 PM
    - What state IS iron in at 5,900 kelvins? (At the pressure of the Sun's Photosphere) (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/6/2005 11:49:48 PM
      - It sure as heck ain't solid. - Tom Brosz - 12/7/2005 5:01:18 AM
      - Now that you've specified the pressure, YOU figure it out. (n/t) - et - 12/7/2005 3:52:34 AM
        
        At the photosphere, the ambient pressure is very low, - DFM - 12/7/2005 4:47:51 PM
- you out of touch, or what? - Daniel - 12/3/2005 2:44:49 AM
  - Out of touch with what? - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2005 3:16:44 AM
    - in any case - D. - 12/3/2005 5:21:51 AM
    - re: Out of touch with what? - Daniel - 12/3/2005 4:07:21 AM
      - Common sense - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2005 6:02:55 AM
        
        re: Common sense by Tom Paine Brosz - et - 12/3/2005 7:30:15 PM
- It's complete BS - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/2/2005 10:09:14 PM
  - re: It's complete BS - Michael Mozina - 12/3/2005 10:26:58 PM
    - Re: Iron Crusts, Solar Induction & Galactic Induction - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/4/2005 4:11:23 AM
      - re: Re: Iron Crusts, Solar Induction & Galactic Induction - Michael Mozina - 12/4/2005 10:27:04 PM
        
        We need to launch a space mission to recover a sample of this solar iron - LJK - 12/5/2005 3:52:38 PM
        
        All I see is 5-10 sec of black screen. Anyone...? (n/t) - et - 12/5/2005 1:12:42 AM
      - LOL Like attracts Like - R.L. - 12/4/2005 4:29:00 AM
        
        Now, now, RL - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/4/2005 4:34:05 AM
        
        re: Now, now, RL - R.L. - 12/4/2005 4:37:38 AM
        
        I agree. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/4/2005 4:43:54 AM
        
        Which one of us gets paid to know these things? - R.L. - 12/4/2005 5:39:00 PM
        
        Which one of us gets paid to know these things? - R.L. - 12/4/2005 5:38:57 PM
        
        Sizzle doesn't equal flame. Play on. - Mary Anne - 12/4/2005 4:51:29 PM
    - 8^) I was SO hoping you would show up! - R.L. - 12/4/2005 12:29:51 AM
      - re: 8^) I was SO hoping you would show up! - Michael Mozina - 12/4/2005 9:26:45 PM
        
        Complete nonsense - R.L. - 12/5/2005 10:05:36 PM
        
        Complete ignorance.... - Michael Mozina - 12/6/2005 1:13:15 AM
        
        re: Complete ignorance.... - LJK - 12/6/2005 2:19:54 PM
        
        This is the scientific equivalent of yelling "You're a Nazi" in a political debate. - Tony - 12/6/2005 4:17:07 PM
        
        the Stanford paper discusses subsurface layering only - Daniel - 12/5/2005 4:37:57 AM
        
        re: the Stanford paper discusses subsurface layering only - Michael Mozina - 12/6/2005 1:20:39 AM
        
        Jupiter's Great Red Spot is actually solid rock, you know - Daniel - 12/6/2005 10:00:00 AM
        
        Gee, how could we ever tell clouds from the surface of the earth? - Michael Mozina - 12/6/2005 5:47:12 PM
        
        atmospheric strata? (n/t) - alcaray - 12/6/2005 6:07:22 PM
        
        there's silicon in the spectrograph, so I expect it is proven (n/t) - alcaray - 12/6/2005 4:47:36 PM
        
        PS: - alcaray - 12/6/2005 4:48:41 PM
        
        yeap - Daniel - 12/6/2005 5:40:46 PM
        
        re: the Stanford paper discusses subsurface layering only - et - 12/6/2005 4:04:28 AM
        
        You are a liar, inadvertent or not.... - et - 12/5/2005 1:16:37 AM
        
        Currently active thread on this topic. - Michael Mozina - 12/5/2005 2:50:46 AM
        
        :) - R.L. - 12/5/2005 5:45:17 AM
        
        What a sun beam of wisdom this discussion must be.... - et not R.L. - 12/5/2005 5:40:13 AM
        
        re: What a sun beam of wisdom this discussion must be.... - Michael Mozina - 12/5/2005 11:23:43 PM
        
        Better yet... - Michael Mozina - 12/5/2005 5:31:28 AM
        
        The value of debate in public internet forums - Laurie Street - 12/5/2005 3:30:54 PM
        
        Logical fallacies. - Michael Mozina - 12/5/2005 8:34:57 PM
        
        Well... - alcaray - 12/5/2005 9:19:36 PM
        
        Speaking of Logical fallacies.... - et - 12/5/2005 8:47:27 PM
        
        re: Speaking of Logical fallacies.... - Michael Mozina - 12/5/2005 11:37:22 PM
        
        What he said.... - R.L. - 12/6/2005 12:42:48 AM
        
        What he didn't say..... - Michael Mozina - 12/6/2005 12:55:48 AM
        
        The Sun: Surface Artifacts Formation and Stability - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/6/2005 6:05:13 AM
        
        re: The Sun: Surface Artifacts Formation and Stability - Michael Mozina - 12/6/2005 5:44:18 PM
        
        re: The Sun: Surface Artifacts Formation and Stability - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/6/2005 8:10:40 PM
        
        re: The Sun: Surface Artifacts Formation and Stability - Laurie Street - 12/6/2005 6:25:10 PM
        
        How do you get cola out of a keyboard? - Tony - 12/6/2005 6:58:46 PM
        
        50/50 chance of reviving it with a top shelf diswasher cycle. - et - 12/8/2005 2:56:25 AM
        
        What a coincidence! - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/6/2005 8:37:20 PM
        
        What movie was that? "The Scarlet Letter?" (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2005 6:34:08 AM
        
        You are jerk, inadvertant or not.... - Michael Mozina - 12/5/2005 2:45:37 AM
        
        Advertant in this case. - et - 12/5/2005 5:36:10 AM
        
        This place is BOOOORing! - Michael Mozina - 12/5/2005 8:36:23 PM
        
        Oh, you noticed that? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/5/2005 9:05:48 PM
        
        Yes. It's much more exciting to pretend that you know somthing and make stuff up.... (n/t) - et - 12/5/2005 8:38:38 PM
        
        Oh, it is... - R.L. - 12/6/2005 12:58:29 AM
        
        Reason. - Michael Mozina - 12/6/2005 1:24:44 AM
        
        re: Yes. It's much more exciting to pretend that you know somthing and make stuff up.... - Michael Mozina - 12/5/2005 11:39:05 PM
        
        Well, I'm just spitballing here... - et - 12/6/2005 3:49:40 AM
        
        A bit of info regarding arxiv.org - Laurie Street - 12/5/2005 12:34:25 AM
      - No response? - R.L. - 12/4/2005 5:43:36 PM
- I didn't know bad smells could come over the Internet! - Laurie Street - 12/2/2005 9:10:45 PM
  - If I were to give an honest opinion of this "theory"... - R.L. - 12/4/2005 12:32:41 AM
    - Awww - Laurie Street - 12/4/2005 7:20:37 PM
      - ;) just wait.... - R.L. - 12/5/2005 5:41:46 AM
      - ;) just wait.... - R.L. - 12/5/2005 5:41:42 AM
  - Discussed at Bad Astronomy - Laurie Street - 12/2/2005 9:17:08 PM
- re: Filters - Raoul - 12/2/2005 7:55:48 PM
  - re: Filters - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 8:27:17 PM
    - re: Of course... - Raoul - 12/2/2005 10:03:02 PM
      - What do you hope to "profit" from this theory? - LJK - 12/5/2005 3:56:48 PM
        
        it'll make a really really big wrecking ball, for the demolition industry (n/t) - Daniel - 12/5/2005 4:16:17 PM
        
        To Mr. Mozina - LJK - 12/6/2005 2:15:13 PM
        
        Knowedge is it's own reward. - Michael Mozina - 12/6/2005 6:14:08 PM

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