OK, the long way round, you're saying you don't think Trump is a Fascist

Robert — 11/26/2015 10:20:05 PM (archived)

Thanks for clearing that up. It implies that you disagree with the criteria by which I, and others, are judging Trump to genuinely be a genuine fascist.

The whole point is that we're not using the word as an epithet, and I don't think much of your tactic of trying to discredit me as a hypocrite instead of confronting the question of Trump and fascism head on. That comes across as ejecting chaff to deflect the question.

So if you don't think Trump is a fascist, again, how would you define fascism?

And BTW, about that quote from Orwell: You should read it sometime. He uses the word "often", he doesn't say that the word "fascism" forevermore will have no meaning. He is, in fact, cautioning us to use the word carefully and with restraint.

As I am. Donald Trump is a fascist.

(And here I thought I was going to miss out on arguing with a conservative on Thanksgiving. Thanks, Rob!)

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Defining fascism--a little light reading - Robert - 11/25/2015 10:02:19 PM
- A superb description of the Republican Party with their goosestep members of Congress. - bowser - 12/2/2015 4:20:31 AM
  - Hey, Bowser, grab some popcorn! - TB - 12/2/2015 4:31:21 AM
    - Can't argue the facts, can you. Remember the pledge they had to sign? - bowser - 12/3/2015 4:59:32 AM
    - Who's up for a Mobius award? n/t - RobVG - 12/2/2015 6:12:32 AM
- It's funny, even you guys have to look up the definition of fascist.....n/t - RobVG - 11/26/2015 4:00:35 AM
  - Do you already know one? - Robert - 11/26/2015 6:40:43 AM
    - Please.. - RobVG - 11/26/2015 6:43:11 PM
      - OK, the long way round, you're saying you don't think Trump is a Fascist - Robert - 11/26/2015 10:20:05 PM
        
        I think you're just a little too gleeful. - RobVG - 11/29/2015 7:24:46 PM
        
        "Glee" is the wrong word - Robert - 11/30/2015 4:16:23 AM
        
        I'm sorry you took offense Robert - RobVG - 12/1/2015 3:08:56 AM
        
        If you are really asking a question: - TB - 11/30/2015 5:45:51 PM
        
        Racism was more of a prominent example than the sole characteristic - Robert - 12/1/2015 2:24:14 AM
        
        Excellent post. - ER - 11/30/2015 10:27:22 PM
        
        It wasn't that Eco, or even Robert, were wrong. - TB - 12/1/2015 4:09:07 AM
        
        Your ideology is showing. - ER - 12/1/2015 2:59:18 PM
        
        I should hope so. - TB - 12/1/2015 6:31:48 PM
        
        A Wikepedia citation? - mcfly - 12/1/2015 10:15:06 PM
        
        Hear that ER? - TB - 12/2/2015 12:31:57 AM
        
        Pick that cherry! - mcfly - 12/2/2015 1:09:52 AM
        
        Heh, sorry. ER uses Wikepedia a lot, too. - TB - 12/2/2015 1:25:31 AM
        
        Read my post again and think about it. Sorry it was so subtle. - mcfly - 12/2/2015 1:40:17 AM
        
        Or you could just explain it. - TB - 12/2/2015 1:46:13 AM
        
        I have a problem with *your* methodology - mcfly - 12/2/2015 2:33:16 AM
        
        C'mon McFly - RobVG - 12/2/2015 6:21:07 AM
        
        I'm curious about something - Robert - 12/1/2015 7:41:27 PM
        
        Waiting for links on the "economic studies." - TB - 12/1/2015 9:23:49 PM
        
        ding! ding! ding! - Robert - 12/2/2015 12:10:17 AM
        
        raga man - ER - 12/2/2015 2:06:25 AM
        
        Cute. - TB - 12/2/2015 2:05:07 AM
        
        Did you know your data removed capital gains from the equation in order to look like that? - RL - 12/2/2015 3:08:17 AM
        
        I don't think that changes it being flat. - TB - 12/2/2015 3:37:53 AM
        
        You KNOW it does... - RL - 12/2/2015 3:58:12 AM
        
        Dude, I quoted the paper you handed me. - TB - 12/2/2015 4:29:08 AM
        
        The very first place I looked, right at the top of the stack... - ER - 12/1/2015 10:26:13 PM
        
        Well... - TB - 12/2/2015 12:58:08 AM
        
        Don't patronize me, Tom. - ER - 12/2/2015 2:38:55 AM
        
        Heh. Don't you mean "Tommy?" - TB - 12/2/2015 2:49:13 AM
        
        And... - RL - 12/2/2015 12:35:55 AM
        
        There is a methodology problem... - TB - 12/2/2015 1:21:27 AM
        
        I am curious, TB - RL - 12/2/2015 2:04:44 AM
        
        That's just insulting - mcfly - 12/2/2015 1:38:37 AM
        
        Bringing engineers in probably wouldn't hurt. :) - TB - 12/2/2015 1:57:09 AM
        
        Do we have any? - ER - 12/2/2015 2:37:16 AM
        
        Do Lasers count? - RL - 12/2/2015 3:37:05 AM
        
        Lasers definitely count! - TB - 12/2/2015 3:46:05 AM
        
        Re: Do we have any? - TB - 12/2/2015 2:56:21 AM
        
        I used to draw maps. - ER - 12/2/2015 3:06:16 AM
        
        That's tech, too. - TB - 12/2/2015 3:48:40 AM
        
        And yet another insult - mcfly - 12/2/2015 2:35:19 AM
        
        I'm sorry. Didn't know you were a social scientist. - TB - 12/2/2015 2:39:25 AM
        
        A rising tide lifts all yachts - mcfly - 12/1/2015 10:46:53 PM
        
        They want more. - ER - 12/1/2015 8:43:31 PM
        
        In the wild west... - ER - 12/1/2015 7:21:33 PM
        
        Thanks for that - mcfly - 11/30/2015 11:44:20 PM
        
        I'm tending to agree with TB on this - Tony - 11/30/2015 8:37:30 PM
        
        Have you read this whole thread? - TB - 11/30/2015 6:14:57 AM
        
        Are you nuts? - Robert - 11/30/2015 6:23:58 AM
        
        Unclear answer. - TB - 11/30/2015 7:58:56 AM
        
        Its perfectly clear to me, - ER - 11/30/2015 2:00:02 PM
      - They're in the "furious gibbering" phase. - TB - 11/26/2015 7:45:41 PM
        
        Who's in "furious gibbering phase?" - mcfly - 11/27/2015 3:15:55 AM
        
        Tommy tries desperately to hold back the liberal flood - ER - 11/26/2015 7:58:39 PM
      - I don't think Trump is making any effort NOT to be shoehorned. - ER - 11/26/2015 7:20:22 PM
      - Be honest Rob... - RL - 11/26/2015 7:17:01 PM
    - I don't think Trump has a political ideology... - RL - 11/26/2015 4:54:13 PM
      - Liberals should also beware of spending too much effort fighting Trump. - ER - 11/26/2015 5:24:21 PM
  - That's because there IS NO definition of fascist. - ER - 11/26/2015 4:19:57 AM
    - Look up number 14 in Eco's list. - TB - 11/26/2015 5:34:36 PM
      - Precision of language? - ER - 11/26/2015 5:50:49 PM
        
        Wow... just...WOW - RL - 11/26/2015 6:05:09 PM
- Fascism is the dictatorship of the middle class. - ER - 11/26/2015 12:42:39 AM
- Definitions - ER - 11/26/2015 12:00:06 AM

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