Re: The Moon was lost long ago...
Ice forms on Mars, but the method of cooling used in current EMU's don't work there. There is an atomshpere. And its a block of ice in the PLSS whether you call it that or not.
Geoff, you and I agree about quite a lot of things concerning the Moon. The differences are in how much money and what focus NASA should have. I see NASA doing robotic missions to the Moon as long as they don't kill commercial missions already planned.
NASA focus should be on CATS and beyond the Moon. They could help support commercial Moon mission, but are more likely to kill them than not.
--Chris Vancil