A big difference

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A big difference

Donald — 5/22/2004 2:11:07 PM (archived)

MPL had the possibility of succeeding. Beagle 2 had no chance whatsoever. Its failure is rooted not in an individual's mistake, but rather in the whole concept. The science package was overstated and not well matched to the financial resources available to support the mission. In fact, Mr. Pillinger never did raise the funds necessary to operate the mission and a huge debt remains. In some respects, he may be lucky the mission tanked and didn't dig it even further into debt.

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Beage 2: As I was saying - Donald - 5/22/2004 1:10:38 AM
- a portrait .. - Daniel L - 5/24/2004 4:54:17 PM
- Predictions, anyone? How long before ESA offers competitive prizes like NASA now is? - ~tax leech - 5/23/2004 1:10:34 PM
  - re: Predictions, anyone? How long before ESA offers competitive prizes like NASA now is? - Doug Ellison - 5/27/2004 4:00:22 PM
    - Winning a contract vs. winning a competitive prize - ~tax leech - 5/27/2004 9:45:05 PM
- A Difference Overlooked - Mark Eby - 5/23/2004 5:10:01 AM
- David Whitehouse lurks the Habitable Zone. - Gary - 5/22/2004 11:01:03 PM
  - You know this for a fact? - R.L. - 5/25/2004 8:49:28 PM
    - Yes - Gary - 5/27/2004 6:43:44 AM
  - Another article about Beagle 2 - Gary - 5/23/2004 2:18:09 AM
    - Exactly on point - Donald - 5/23/2004 1:56:15 PM
      - re: Exactly on point - Chris Vancil - 5/24/2004 7:40:18 AM
        
        Standard practice is to design for the worst case scenario - Gary - 5/24/2004 3:56:38 PM
        
        Importance of feedback from protypes - dtb - 5/25/2004 3:21:55 AM
        
        re: Standard practice is to design for the worst case scenario - Chris Vancil - 5/24/2004 8:52:16 PM
        
        How to Lower the bar and increase science success probability - Gary - 5/25/2004 4:46:42 AM
        
        re: I would like to see weather stations and seismometers all over the surface of Mars...either of which need to move around much. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 5/25/2004 8:57:40 AM
        
        What's their EDL system? - Gary - 5/25/2004 4:08:55 PM
        
        re: What's their EDL system? - Chris Vancil - 5/25/2004 8:47:30 PM
        
        re: What's their EDL system? - Doug Ellison - 5/26/2004 9:13:20 AM
        
        re: More on NetLander - Chris Vancil - 5/25/2004 9:13:21 PM
        
        Great idea - dtb - 5/25/2004 5:25:37 AM
        
        Build to Print - Gary - 5/25/2004 6:45:29 AM
        
        re: Build to Print - Nick Hoffman - 5/26/2004 5:33:17 AM
        
        I'm only a humble engineer.... - Gary - 5/26/2004 3:58:49 PM
- don't hold your breath for a refund (n/t) - traveling geek - 5/22/2004 4:45:40 AM
- Sounds like what they said about Mars Polar Lander. (n/t) - Robert Clark - 5/22/2004 4:44:54 AM
  - Let the space organization that does not have at least one pile of multimillion dollar junk littering the Martian surface, cast the first stone. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/22/2004 7:11:03 AM
    - re: Let the space organization that does not have at least one pile of multimillion dollar junk littering the Martian surface, cast the first stone. - Doug Ellison - 5/22/2004 8:40:49 AM
      - A big difference - Donald - 5/22/2004 2:11:07 PM
        
        Yes, there are some differencess... - Nathan Koren - 5/22/2004 11:21:10 PM
        
        re: A big difference - Doug Ellison - 5/22/2004 3:10:29 PM
        
        re: Beagle 2 was 'too great a risk' - Fatcat - 5/22/2004 6:14:52 PM
        
        You're missing the point - Donald - 5/22/2004 3:33:55 PM
        
        re: You're missing the point - Chris Vancil - 5/24/2004 8:58:54 AM
        
        How much extra would Beagle 2 have cost if they used the NASA airbag sytem? - Robert Clark - 5/22/2004 9:52:19 PM
        
        Many space scientists said MPL's landing system was doomed to failure BEFORE it arrived at Mars. (n/t) - Robert Clark - 5/22/2004 9:05:42 PM
        
        re: You're missing the point - Chris Vancil - 5/22/2004 8:26:56 PM
        
        re: You're missing the point - Donald - 5/23/2004 2:28:33 PM
        
        re: You're missing the point - Chris Vancil - 5/24/2004 8:07:08 AM
        
        Yeah, the failure of MPL could have been avoided if they used an entirely different landing system. - Robert Clark - 5/23/2004 9:12:10 PM
        
        re: Yeah, the failure of MPL could have been avoided if they used an entirely different landing system. - Doug Ellison - 5/23/2004 10:18:32 PM
        
        Are you sure just the NASA airbags without the retrorockets would have exceeded the mass constraints? (n/t) - Robert Clark - 5/24/2004 2:51:05 AM
        
        re: Are you sure just the NASA airbags without the retrorockets would have exceeded the mass constraints? - Doug Ellison - 5/24/2004 9:06:05 AM
        
        re: You're missing the point - Doug Ellison - 5/23/2004 10:10:42 AM
        
        You might be right. - Tom Brosz - 5/22/2004 4:01:26 PM

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