Should ESA impress us when it doesn't offer competitive prizes of its own, like DARPA & NASA?

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Should ESA impress us when it doesn't offer competitive prizes of its own, like DARPA & NASA?

~tax leech — 7/14/2004 6:37:03 PM (archived)

ESA won't impress me unless it offers competitive prizes of its own, like DARPA & NASA. ESA has been following NASA's new Centennial Challenges model, but them somebody started ranting about ITAR concerns and that had a chilling effect :-(

Right now I gather that ESA systematically favors one launching company, although I'm not sure what the guy was talking about because there's Daimler Chrysler's spinoff and then there's Arianespace. I greatly admire the cost-effective Beagle 2 initiative but they didn't use the competitive prizes model so they had to bank on one single team's (reputedly flawed) approach. We saw where that got them. At least with DARPA's $1 million dollar Grand Challenge, some of the autonomous rover contestants made it as far as 7 miles even as others flopped like Beagle 2. That's a new world record. And with 50 times the amount of the prize invested by private industry pursuing it, lots more scientists and engineers got jobs that they wouldn't have otherwise gotten. It was a win / win approach for all, except for the government contracting clique and their favorite bureaucrats.

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ESA getting priorities straight - E.P. Grondine - 7/14/2004 2:44:19 AM
- ****To RL and taxleech**** - Robert Shepherd - 7/19/2004 4:53:33 PM
  - Leech keeps spamming us by hijacking legit threads - RL (reposted by Robert) - 7/19/2004 8:25:48 PM
    - some times you have to sigh and let the bad guy have the last word - alcaray - 7/19/2004 11:16:56 PM
  - If someone slanders me and accuses me of illegal actions I will respond (n/t) - R.L. - 7/19/2004 7:42:25 PM
- "As a result, the panel decided that ESA should leave detection to ground-based telescopes for the time being" - Mark Eby - 7/18/2004 12:47:51 PM
  - Aurora may be postponed - E.P. Grondine - 7/24/2004 9:48:33 AM
- Should ESA impress us when it doesn't offer competitive prizes of its own, like DARPA & NASA? - ~tax leech - 7/14/2004 6:37:03 PM
  - Somehow I doubt ESA, or any one else, gives a damn about impressing you - R.L. - 7/17/2004 10:01:48 PM
    - Ghandi: "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." - ~tax leech - 7/17/2004 10:31:19 PM
      - FIRST, I am paid by a PRIVATE corporation, You insist on blatantly lying about this and slandering me... - R.L. - 7/17/2004 10:52:27 PM
  - Back here in the real world, leech... - E.P. Grondine - 7/17/2004 3:03:35 PM
    - Are you unaware of the new asteroid watch prizes? Why not planetary search ones? - ~tax leech - 7/17/2004 6:43:01 PM
      - Are you aware of the Free Rider problem? - E.P. Grondine - 7/24/2004 9:56:56 AM
  - re: Should ESA impress us when it doesn't offer competitive prizes of its own, like DARPA & NASA? - Doug Ellison - 7/14/2004 10:36:36 PM
    - ESA's taxpaying constituents know it's the Bastille storming's anniversary - ~tax leech - 7/15/2004 12:00:35 AM
      - And was that event not inspired by the revolution in North America? - ~tax leech - 7/15/2004 1:04:13 AM
        
        re: And was that event not inspired by the revolution in North America? - Doug Ellison - 7/15/2004 7:35:21 AM
        
        This twit was almost banned - R.L. - 7/15/2004 3:46:54 PM
        
        Can't we all just get along - ~tax leech hugger - 7/18/2004 9:38:40 PM
        
        LOL...The funny thing is... - R.L. - 7/18/2004 10:10:03 PM
        
        RL, what does your lap-dog get in return for that posting above? - ~tax leech - 7/15/2004 7:54:41 PM
        
        Hmmm I think he would flame me.. - R.L. - 7/17/2004 7:50:28 AM
        
        R.L., did you denigrate lawyers when you were in trouble with the law recently? - ~tax leech - 7/17/2004 6:39:47 PM
        
        As if we needed more proof of how juvenile Rich the blood sucker is... - R.L. - 7/17/2004 9:44:43 PM
        
        Ok, you slandering piece of crap - R.L. (with a vengance) - 7/17/2004 8:51:27 PM
        
        Google offers prizes but YOU prefer to make government money recipients need YOU as an intermediary. Sticky fingers? - ~tax leech - 7/17/2004 10:05:29 PM
        
        Rich you are getting into legally dangerous territory, Slander ... - R.L. - 7/17/2004 10:33:40 PM
        
        LOL I didn't need a lawyer, you worthless twit, I just handed in proof of insurance to the court- no big deal, I certainly didnt need a leech like you... - R.L. (amused) - 7/17/2004 7:43:14 PM
        
        Now how about the REST of the story R.L.? Ashamed? - ~tax leech - 7/17/2004 10:27:06 PM
        
        I posted the entire thing on community- I find it bizzarre that you think you are making points with it - R.L. - 7/17/2004 10:37:51 PM
        
        50 times more than the DARPA prize was invested in chasing it. Just because nobody would fund YOUR prize pursuits... - ~tax leech - 7/18/2004 12:22:28 AM
        
        ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID? - R.L. - 7/18/2004 1:54:15 AM
        
        That's apparently your most rational posting to date. Here's my rational response. - ~tax leech - 7/18/2004 3:40:29 PM
        
        That was not a rational response - R.L. - 7/18/2004 9:06:05 PM
        
        So if YOU couldn't convince 'em to invest, then NOBODY could, huh? - ~tax leech - 7/18/2004 10:46:25 PM
        
        Actually, I did - R.L. - 7/19/2004 2:15:41 AM
        
        So it's not a "sound business judgment" for a corp. to pursue a prize? - ~tax leech - 7/19/2004 3:02:31 AM
        
        Demonstrate you have any experience - R.L. - 7/19/2004 6:27:06 AM
        
        re: So it's not a "sound business judgment" for a corp. to pursue a prize? - ~tax leech hugger - 7/19/2004 4:03:01 AM
- Yeap Their Aaurora Program Is A Good Idea.;-) (n/t) - Mark Eby - 7/14/2004 3:17:29 AM

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