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Exactly on point.

ebnelson — 12/9/2004 3:34:02 PM (archived)

War is hell - from start to finish, from planning to execution. and plans go out the the window with the first shot. That we are having significant logistical bottlenecks is part of that hell.
An implication of HumV complaint is that somehow armoring them all will be the perfect cure. There are no perfect cures. The IEDs the terrorists use against us are Improvised. We are improvising a counter to that.
That Rumsfeld was honest and frank in his answer is something he deserves to be respected for, and I believe most troops do.
We will improvise, adapt and prevail in this, just as we have in every war. If we don't have leaders who lose their nerve.
Ed

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Rumsfeld makes excuses for administration's incompetence - Donald - 12/9/2004 1:54:40 AM
- Rumsfeld makes invalid excuses for administration's incompetence - Publius - 12/10/2004 3:12:22 PM
- So is the armour adequate or not? - LJ - 12/9/2004 2:37:35 PM
  - re: Maybe, Maybe not. - Scott Evil - 12/9/2004 3:25:57 PM
    - If he was lying.......why the huge cheer? (n/t) - Tony - 12/9/2004 4:52:13 PM
      - It's been a real issue. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 5:44:19 PM
        
        Not trying to pick a fight (for once today), genuinely curious. - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:24:53 PM
        
        You know, now that you mention it... - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 9:13:55 PM
        
        Britain's civil war was about.... - Tony - 12/9/2004 9:42:40 PM
        
        "Breeding terrorists" myth - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 12:44:30 AM
        
        So sorry, thought terrorist was synonymous to insurgent to you guys... (n/t) - tony - 12/10/2004 3:58:21 AM
        
        Shouldn't be. - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 5:03:20 AM
        
        Plans going awry - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 12:33:03 AM
        
        That may be, but all things considered, Turkey probably best left out of it. (n/t) - tony - 12/10/2004 3:56:47 AM
        
        And Jordan, And Egypt, And Syria..... (n/t) - Publius - 12/10/2004 10:41:29 PM
        
        You could make a good case for that. - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 5:06:21 AM
        
        Sullivan says it better than me - Tony - 12/9/2004 6:29:22 PM
        
        Some articles on this. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 7:34:07 PM
        
        BTW - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:00:25 PM
        
        re: BTW - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 8:31:31 PM
        
        Rumsfeld's actual quote - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:42:56 PM
        
        "the army of desire" Good SF title. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/9/2004 9:58:06 PM
        
        Sounds more like Gore Vidal to me - but it's a great title (n/t) - Fox - 12/11/2004 12:28:16 AM
        
        That's the part that wins the hearts and minds - Tony - 12/9/2004 9:59:47 PM
        
        Gee, Tony, Don't you think poor ol' toms backside has had enough yet? - Davin L. - 12/9/2004 8:05:52 PM
        
        Not one bit - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:09:48 PM
        
        One last hint - Tony - 12/9/2004 7:50:57 PM
        
        "Arf" indeed. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 7:02:47 PM
        
        Arf Arf Arf. - Tony - 12/9/2004 7:35:55 PM
        
        Arf - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 7:56:53 PM
        
        Personally - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:07:32 PM
        
        re: Personally - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 8:27:02 PM
        
        The brilliant press - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:37:36 PM
        
        Actually... - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 9:24:08 PM
        
        Like I said - Tony - 12/9/2004 9:56:16 PM
        
        "inaccurate"? After you finished twisting what he said, parts of it do sound inaccurate. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/9/2004 7:17:30 PM
- Once again you prove your ignorance of military history - Larry J - 12/9/2004 2:28:16 PM
  - Hey, when you start the war you have only yourself to blame if you are not prepared. (n/t) - Publius - 12/10/2004 3:48:04 PM
    - Yeah, if the enemy would be so kind as to stick to our plans - Larry J - 12/10/2004 5:57:51 PM
  - Once again Larry uses his favorite line (n/t) - alcaray - 12/9/2004 4:52:38 PM
    - Too bad it's so true so often (n/t) - Larry J - 12/9/2004 7:28:15 PM
  - Exactly on point. - ebnelson - 12/9/2004 3:34:02 PM
  - But, but, but.... - Donald - 12/9/2004 3:03:16 PM
    - Once again... - Larry J - 12/9/2004 7:35:33 PM
    - re: But, but, but.... - ebnelson - 12/9/2004 3:28:21 PM
  - re: Once again you prove your ignorance of military history - LJ - 12/9/2004 2:39:39 PM
    - You improvise, you adapt, you overcome - Larry J - 12/9/2004 3:09:38 PM
      - IEDs - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:28:56 PM
        
        re: IEDs - Larry J - 12/9/2004 10:15:20 PM
        
        10, 5, 2, 1 - tony - 12/10/2004 1:51:41 AM
        
        Basic physics - Larry J - 12/10/2004 2:46:41 PM
      - Thanks for all the info - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 4:39:41 PM
    - Didn't you know? - Tony - 12/9/2004 3:04:10 PM
- Looking like another MSM soundbite attack. - ebnelson - 12/9/2004 1:04:51 PM
- Meanwhile: 1,276 - Donald - 12/9/2004 1:57:56 AM
  - And: Iraqis May Extend Election Amid Violence - Donald - 12/9/2004 2:10:15 AM
    - So eventually they get to vote.......... - Lindy - 12/9/2004 5:15:52 AM
      - re: They will never stop - Scott Evil - 12/9/2004 4:07:53 PM
        
        Solution to Silliness - Lindy - 12/9/2004 5:23:52 PM

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