Please enlighten me

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Please enlighten me

Gary — 2/17/2005 6:48:59 AM (archived)

Davin said"

>'Shale' oil and 'Tar sands' are probably never going to be a
>winning proposition.

I was under the mistaken impression that 'Shale' oil and 'Tar sands' were the last great hope in terms of synthetic petroleum. Supposably when everything else runs out that's what's supposed to pull us out of the pooper. Why are they not a winning proposition?

Gary

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Energy projections, PBR reactors, transition times - Davin :. - 2/16/2005 11:05:55 PM
- Old Chestnuts and New Times - Nick Hoffman - 2/20/2005 6:56:52 AM
  - Thanks! - Tom Brosz - 2/20/2005 7:45:58 AM
    - Not that I agree with your long-term solutions... - Tom Brosz - 2/20/2005 7:50:12 AM
      - Cabal... - Nick Hoffman - 2/20/2005 8:23:52 AM
        
        re: Cabal... - Tom Brosz - 2/21/2005 5:05:39 AM
        
        Excellent posts, Nick - thank you (n/t) - Fox - 2/20/2005 3:17:48 PM
- And then there's this. - Lee - 2/19/2005 7:47:23 AM
- Fracing. - jms - 2/18/2005 5:28:37 PM
- Talk about synchronicity- anyopne catch the daily show today? (n/t) - Davin :. - 2/18/2005 4:27:07 AM
  - coal = geology's wheat ? - jms - 2/18/2005 8:22:47 PM
    - Yeah, I bet 10-1 the guy was an economist - Davin :. - 2/18/2005 9:47:31 PM
- There is also always Methane Hydrates - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 3:56:00 PM
  - re: There is also always Methane Hydrates - gbaikie - 2/18/2005 5:31:48 AM
- Wrong! You wrote: "Nuclear is the ONLY possible scalable technology out there" - David F Mayer - 2/17/2005 11:02:21 AM
  - (1) We have been through all of this before - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 2:56:36 PM
    - OK. We shall see what is the bigger producer of electric power in 2025. - David F Mayer - 2/17/2005 5:38:06 PM
      - Are there any Sea Solar plants up and running yet? (n/t) - ebnelson - 2/18/2005 8:52:09 PM
      - Okay, sounds fine to me. - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 7:23:53 PM
      - Go for it! - Tom Brosz - 2/17/2005 6:04:57 PM
        
        Singing my song - jms - 2/17/2005 11:14:36 PM
        
        The Goddamn Luddites - David F Mayer - 2/17/2005 9:39:51 PM
        
        Vertebrate mass - think first - LJ - 2/18/2005 1:38:16 AM
        
        WRONG!! Cattle are NOT vertebrates, as everyone knows they are insects, and furthermore they weigh, on average, about six ounces. The worlwide population of cattle is about 15... I know this because… - DFM THE SECOND - 2/18/2005 8:49:07 AM
        
        And sheep are INvertebrate fuzzy sea-cucumbers, we were going to use them to soak up the water splashed by throwing the cattle into the ocean... (also let me add that the MOAB is a 'surgical strike w… - D--- F------ -Moron - 2/18/2005 9:19:28 AM
        
        Throw insects in there and see what you get. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 2/18/2005 1:49:22 AM
        
        The secret trick word is "vertebrates." - Tom Brosz - 2/18/2005 1:03:58 AM
        
        Of course. The Insects rule the animal kingdom. - David F Mayer - 2/18/2005 5:17:33 PM
        
        I think Tom referred to the ocean, David. (n/t) - alcaray - 2/18/2005 5:57:58 PM
        
        Not specifically. Was making the point that vertebrates are a minority of oxygen breathers. - Tom Brosz - 2/18/2005 10:19:06 PM
        
        Really? You used the word "where". (n/t) - alcaray - 2/19/2005 3:35:28 PM
        
        Hmmm... - Tom Brosz - 2/19/2005 5:32:33 PM
        
        Made perfect sense that way, too. - alcaray - 2/20/2005 1:36:38 AM
- This is a thread that would benefit from Nick Hoffman - ebnelson - 2/17/2005 7:02:43 AM
  - Thats the truth! - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 2:29:17 PM
    - Nick avoids CE, try OT. (n/t) - jms - 2/17/2005 8:24:35 PM
- You seem to write off Oil Sands pretty quickly - ebnelson - 2/17/2005 7:00:26 AM
  - re: You seem to write off Oil Sands pretty quickly - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 3:06:09 PM
- Please enlighten me - Gary - 2/17/2005 6:48:59 AM
  - A good article from the Colorado School of Mines - Larry J - 2/17/2005 2:55:45 PM
    - re:If you are ever camping in NW Colorado - jms - 2/17/2005 9:14:43 PM
    - Supposably the mine tailings are an issue - Gary - 2/17/2005 4:14:46 PM
      - Speaking from knowledge... - Nick Hoffman - 2/20/2005 7:22:41 AM
      - The article mentioned mine tailings - Larry J - 2/17/2005 7:46:05 PM
    - Cool Source - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 3:16:02 PM
      - I would also be concerned about possible contaimination... - Larry J - 2/17/2005 7:32:06 PM
        
        a good point as well - Davin :. - 2/18/2005 2:54:08 PM
  - I'll do what I can! - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 2:27:07 PM
- Peaked, or close to it, - jms - 2/17/2005 3:01:30 AM
  - jms: you remind me why I stick to this place - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 4:10:19 AM
    - Something that would make everyone here happy: discovering uranium on Mars! ;) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 2/17/2005 6:30:13 PM
      - re: sulfides would be cool. - jms - 2/17/2005 8:25:59 PM
    - Thorium, eh? - jms - 2/17/2005 4:42:33 AM
      - re: Thorium, eh? - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 3:55:02 PM
        
        100 bucks a claim a year. - jms - 2/17/2005 8:00:53 PM
      - re: Thorium, eh? - gbaikie - 2/17/2005 7:29:35 AM
        
        re: Thorium, eh? - jms - 2/17/2005 7:49:00 PM
      - What causes that? - Gary - 2/17/2005 6:45:43 AM
        
        re: What causes Thorium Vein deposits: - jms - 2/17/2005 7:42:31 PM
        
        Thank you (n/t) - Gary - 2/18/2005 4:17:25 PM
  - Uranium - Tom Brosz - 2/17/2005 3:39:39 AM
- re: Energy projections - Tom Brosz - 2/17/2005 12:22:11 AM
  - Problem with you is you don't listen - Tony - 2/17/2005 6:34:21 PM
    - re: Exploratory - Tom Brosz - 2/17/2005 6:49:03 PM
      - 3 part answer - Tony - 2/17/2005 7:46:49 PM
        
        re: 3 part answer - Tom Brosz - 2/17/2005 8:33:05 PM
        
        Alaska? - Tony - 2/17/2005 8:40:57 PM
        
        re: new areas - Tom Brosz - 2/18/2005 1:21:21 AM
        
        It's not just aesthetics - Tony - 2/18/2005 5:55:00 PM
        
        California Beaches - Nick Hoffman - 2/20/2005 7:54:36 AM
        
        Tom can't think outside the box. - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 9:44:03 PM
        
        grrrr. lets see if the ascii art comes out better here - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 9:46:09 PM
        
        the PRE tag is your friend (n/t) - Tony - 2/17/2005 9:47:27 PM
        
        :-p *pthhhht!* - DL - 2/17/2005 10:05:16 PM
        
        You're working too hard. - Tom Brosz - 2/18/2005 1:08:19 AM
        
        LOL!!!! - Davin :. - 2/18/2005 2:16:36 AM
        
        re: LOL!!!! - Tom Brosz - 2/18/2005 2:44:02 AM
        
        re: :-p *pthhhht!* - Tony - 2/17/2005 10:24:08 PM
        
        notepad combined with pre tag is your best friend (n/t) - SDG - 2/18/2005 8:58:33 PM
        
        Gee, Tony.... Why the long face? - DL - 2/17/2005 10:48:51 PM
      - The answer is... - Tom Brosz - 2/17/2005 6:55:03 PM
        
        That's not the answer - Tony - 2/17/2005 7:52:24 PM
  - Renewable Alternatives To Oil Viable At $60/barrel - Mark Eby - 2/17/2005 2:22:59 AM
    - The projections that I have seen are a little higher, say $100 per barrel - David F Mayer - 2/18/2005 5:31:06 PM
    - Biodiesel - ebnelson - 2/17/2005 7:05:20 AM
    - re: Alternatives - Tom Brosz - 2/17/2005 3:38:28 AM
  - the 'running out for many many years' myth - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 1:04:57 AM
    - Uh No - Mark Eby - 2/17/2005 2:31:06 AM
      - see reply to tom above (n/t) - Tony - 2/17/2005 6:36:04 PM
        
        like that's a useful direction (n/t) - ID - 2/18/2005 3:02:55 PM
        
        it was when I made it (n/t) - PPD - 2/18/2005 3:48:01 PM
      - There is a GIGO issue in this - ebnelson - 2/17/2005 7:10:28 AM
      - 'Uh No!' Sounds like a teenager. Should I go: 'Well Duh!' back to you? - Davin L. - 2/17/2005 4:06:13 AM
        
        3 (n/t) - Mark Eby - 2/20/2005 8:13:57 PM
        
        That doesn't include the effect of China's economic emergence - Gary - 2/17/2005 4:24:27 PM
        
        Yeah, you are most likely right - Davin :. - 2/17/2005 4:52:21 PM
    - re: the 'running out for many many years' myth - Tom Brosz - 2/17/2005 2:00:36 AM
      - P.S. on source caveats: - Tom Brosz - 2/17/2005 2:15:23 AM

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