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bowser — 12/3/2015 6:03:19 AM (archived)

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

"Of the world's 23 "rich" countries, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is almost 20 times that of the other 22. With almost one privately owned firearm per person, America's ownership rate is the highest in the world; tribal-conflict-torn Yemen is ranked second, with a rate about half of America's."

So we're doing something wrong. Seriously wrong. Only a rabid True Believer could be proud of this, and I'm sure we have some around here who are.

Rational folks could arrive at a solution which meets the concerns of your average gun owner and those who want to lessen the violence. However, the gun lobby is not rational. No one needs the more extreme weapons for any legitimate purpose.

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Bad time to talk about restricting guns. Really bad. (n/t) - bowser - 12/3/2015 4:52:34 AM
- Bowser, it's "too soon"... - RL - 12/6/2015 6:08:06 AM
- Obama was quick to call for gun control. How long will it take for him to say we were attacked by Isis. N/T - RobVG - 12/5/2015 1:54:27 AM
  - Rob, we weren't attacked by ISIS - Robert - 12/5/2015 7:03:29 AM
    - The only thing that scares me is your attitude towards this. There's really no point in elaborating. n/t - RobVG - 12/5/2015 5:29:05 PM
      - Then you're an idiot and I refuse to elaborate further - Robert - 12/5/2015 6:30:10 PM
        
        Just what do you think Isis "is"? n/t - RobVG - 12/5/2015 7:53:11 PM
        
        A wannabe "Caliphate" - Robert - 12/5/2015 9:13:17 PM
        
        So are you backing away from your assertion that it was "domestic terrorism"? n/t - RobVG - 12/5/2015 10:31:00 PM
        
        No Indication San Bernardino Attackers Were Part Of Larger Terror Group - RL - 12/6/2015 6:04:28 AM
        
        "No indication" - RobVG - 12/6/2015 6:09:25 PM
        
        "They destroyed their cell phones and their hard drives." - Robert - 12/6/2015 6:31:00 PM
        
        Look where you just arrived. You sure you want to be there? - TB - 12/6/2015 8:00:41 PM
        
        Where did I arrive, Tom? - Robert - 12/7/2015 12:01:45 AM
        
        They just want to hate with a clear conscience. - ER - 12/7/2015 12:17:01 AM
        
        Not sure that's where Tom thinks I ended up - Robert - 12/7/2015 1:14:26 AM
        
        The spice must flow. - ER - 12/7/2015 2:20:03 AM
        
        Still working on a reply n/t - RobVG - 12/6/2015 7:44:55 PM
        
        There is no hurry n/t - Robert - 12/6/2015 7:59:07 PM
        
        No, I'm highlighting the ambiguity - Robert - 12/6/2015 12:28:23 AM
        
        So what if it IS ISIS Terrorism? - ER - 12/6/2015 12:17:07 AM
        
        No. It's not Rob. - TB - 12/5/2015 7:39:46 PM
  - Why does that matter more to you... - RL - 12/5/2015 2:35:22 AM
    - same comment to you as I made to browser - RobVG - 12/5/2015 3:08:02 AM
      - You mean impotent rage? - RL - 12/5/2015 4:06:26 AM
        
        I commented to bowser that he was off topic by focusing attention on gun control instead of acknowledging we've suffered a terrorist attack- by Isis. - RobVG - 12/5/2015 4:28:02 AM
- Why choose between "gun violence" and "Islamic terrorism"? - Robert - 12/4/2015 7:50:47 PM
  - The RWA mentality needs to fear and loathe somebody; - ER - 12/4/2015 8:47:24 PM
- Yemen has less than half the rate of gun violence as does the US. There has to be a way to work together to lessen it. - bowser - 12/4/2015 5:21:02 AM
  - Where did you get that number? - TB - 12/4/2015 5:31:08 AM
    - Here. - bowser - 12/4/2015 5:39:57 AM
      - Ah. That's for gun ownership. - TB - 12/4/2015 5:52:35 AM
        
        of course it wouldn't work here. - bowser - 12/4/2015 6:41:32 AM
- It was radical fucking Islamic terrorism. I so "wanted to see that". You ass...I - RobVG - 12/4/2015 2:14:25 AM
  - As for you, - - - - bowser - 12/4/2015 5:22:46 AM
    - Thanks for that - RobVG - 12/4/2015 4:03:23 PM
      - But such a cute cranium you have m'dear. n/t - Jody - 12/4/2015 4:07:45 PM
  - Someone get the wet mop... - mcfly - 12/4/2015 3:56:07 AM
    - "CLEAN UP ON AISLE ONE" - Jody - 12/4/2015 4:08:38 PM
    - Please elaborate. What's your take on it Mcfly - RobVG - 12/4/2015 3:57:58 AM
      - In the meantime, you liberals keep flogging your dolphins blaming it on guns. n/t - RobVG - 12/4/2015 4:03:14 AM
        
        Another outburst like that... - ER - 12/4/2015 4:20:27 AM
        
        And leave my dolphin out of this. - ER - 12/4/2015 4:32:29 AM
  - That was supposed to be in reply to ER n/t - RobVG - 12/4/2015 3:47:19 AM
    - Another outburst like that and... - ER - 12/4/2015 4:21:56 AM
- Conservatives would rather see recent events as "Islamic Terror" rather than "Gun Violence." - ER - 12/3/2015 10:51:48 PM
  - And liberals would much rather this be about guns than the shooters. - TB - 12/4/2015 4:46:00 AM
    - Liberals hate guns more than they hate Muslims. Yes, it really is that simple. - ER - 12/4/2015 1:48:40 PM
      - Well there you have it. - Jody - 12/4/2015 3:02:25 PM
    - Huh. "Comfort zone." I just figured it out. - TB - 12/4/2015 6:04:14 AM
      - TB...I may be mistaken... - Jody - 12/4/2015 4:39:55 PM
- "the U.S. gun-related murder rate is almost 20 times that of the other 22." - bowser - 12/3/2015 8:19:13 PM
- It appears that everyone is circling the wagons. n/t - RobVG - 12/3/2015 5:25:03 AM
  - They sure are... - RL - 12/4/2015 2:37:59 AM
  - Not sure what you mean - Robert - 12/3/2015 6:44:14 AM
    - Clash of Civilizations - ER - 12/3/2015 4:35:36 PM
      - Or... - Jody - 12/3/2015 4:57:44 PM
        
        Everything has always seemed to be going into the crapper. - ER - 12/3/2015 6:34:00 PM
        
        I mindfully refused to name either party. I think it is stoopid to do so. - Jody - 12/3/2015 8:01:40 PM
        
        It's stupid not to, Jody. - bowser - 12/4/2015 6:44:39 AM
        
        Well my pious profiler - Jody - 12/4/2015 2:18:18 PM
        
        You never know who might be listening. - ER - 12/3/2015 8:17:10 PM
    - Waiting for facts before comment - RobVG - 12/3/2015 3:13:29 PM
    - From news briefings tonight: - TB - 12/3/2015 7:03:30 AM
      - Update this morning: "workplace violence" is starting to look pretty weak. - TB - 12/3/2015 5:58:14 PM
        
        It could be a combination of the two. - ER - 12/3/2015 6:49:40 PM
      - I agree Tom. 100% n/t - Jody - 12/3/2015 3:18:25 PM
  - Perspective: Of the world's 23 "rich" countries, the U.S. gun-related murder rate - - - - bowser - 12/3/2015 6:03:19 AM
    - Its a BUSINESS, Bowz. Its a highly profitable and rapidly growing business. - ER - 12/3/2015 3:14:08 PM
      - I agree that's the largest part of it - mcfly - 12/3/2015 7:13:32 PM
        
        I'm not sure I like the idea of smart guns. - ER - 12/3/2015 9:41:37 PM
        
        Appreciate your insights - mcfly - 12/4/2015 1:55:48 AM

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