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Some "stimulus" details - TB - 2/12/2009 5:58:16 AM
- This bill will prevent global warming! - Ike - 2/12/2009 3:13:57 PM
- Thanks, a lot of that looked pretty good to me (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 2/12/2009 6:09:02 AM
  - It probably does. - TB - 2/12/2009 8:12:24 AM
    - WHatever that ratio turns out to be... - et - 2/12/2009 7:30:01 PM

When did it stop being about "creating" jobs and start being about "saving" jobs? - TB - 2/12/2009 5:38:02 AM
- Do't worry, someone will find a way to graph it. You'll be fine. (n/t) - McFly - 2/12/2009 6:46:30 PM
- Which one was it that the tax cuts for the wealthy didn't do? Or both? (n/t) - Bowser - 2/12/2009 7:49:55 AM
  - Please examine the payroll employment numbers in the five years after the 2003 tax cuts. - TB - 2/12/2009 7:57:55 AM
    - WSJ - "Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record" - Bowser - 2/12/2009 6:54:52 PM

Wait until he hits them with the mileage requirements... - TB - 2/11/2009 5:35:18 PM
- re: Wait until he hits them with the mileage requirements... - Jody - 2/12/2009 3:46:27 PM
  - Government standards for miles-per-gallon a car has to get. (n/t) - TB - 2/12/2009 4:23:45 PM
    - Grassy ass....I figured I was wrong. (n/t) - Jody - 2/12/2009 5:25:12 PM
- Consider this - Buck Galaxy - 2/12/2009 6:03:43 AM
  - re: Consider this - TB - 2/12/2009 8:07:23 AM
- With higher mileage requirements "at gunpoint" less oil is needed. - Bowser - 2/11/2009 9:40:10 PM
  - Do I have to explain them ALL? - TB - 2/12/2009 1:26:53 AM
    - On a good day you're funny. On the others, well, this isn't Flame. (n/t) - Bowser - 2/12/2009 4:57:43 AM
      - It's frustrating. - TB - 2/12/2009 5:17:32 AM
        
        And if you had really thought about it... - TB - 2/12/2009 5:31:49 AM
- Oh, BTW. - et - 2/11/2009 5:46:20 PM
  - Read your own link. - TB - 2/11/2009 6:00:51 PM
    - Oh, so they're doing due dilligence again? HOORAY!! (n/t) - et - 2/11/2009 9:08:39 PM
      - I swannee you two.... (n/t) - Jody - 2/11/2009 11:10:54 PM
- No links? - et - 2/11/2009 5:41:46 PM
- ROTFLMAO....yeppers! (n/t) - Jody - 2/11/2009 5:37:55 PM

Timing is everything - TB - 2/12/2009 2:23:18 AM
- re: Timing is everything - SteveS - 2/12/2009 3:36:50 PM

Stealth health care nationalization - TB - 2/11/2009 5:22:31 AM
- Health care nationalization - SteveS - 2/11/2009 11:56:57 PM
  - re: Health care nationalization - Eric - 2/12/2009 1:22:55 AM
    - re: Health care nationalization - SteveS - 2/12/2009 2:08:27 AM
- Conservative word-spin. I'm reading about this all over. - Bowser - 2/11/2009 8:41:25 PM
- It could gravitate that way - FrankC - 2/11/2009 7:24:52 PM
  - re: It could gravitate that way - TB - 2/11/2009 8:05:01 PM
    - I don't disagree - FrankC - 2/11/2009 8:31:13 PM
      - re: I don't disagree - TB - 2/11/2009 8:43:11 PM
- I thought Obama said he wasn't going to allow underhanded legislation? - Lee - 2/11/2009 1:06:41 PM
- And what's your plan for getting preventative health care to all citizens? (n/t) - Bowser - 2/11/2009 6:44:07 AM
  - Sure as hell it won't involve putting politicians in charge of it. (n/t) - TB - 2/11/2009 6:45:19 AM
    - He asked what your plan IS, not what your plan ISN'T (n/t) - Doug Ellison - 2/11/2009 8:45:41 AM
      - The answer is, "Nothing". Would be happy with fewer people with medical care. - Bowser - 2/11/2009 9:35:48 PM
      - But that is an effective answer. - TB - 2/11/2009 5:01:17 PM
        
        no - it isn't. Again - what would YOU do? (n/t) - Doug Ellison - 2/11/2009 8:19:16 PM
        
        I made the point. - TB - 2/11/2009 8:47:45 PM
        
        An example - TB - 2/11/2009 5:07:34 PM
        
        That cuts both ways. - et - 2/11/2009 5:59:46 PM
        
        re: That cuts both ways. - TB - 2/11/2009 6:07:49 PM
        
        re: very costly drug probably of limited value - Andrew - 2/11/2009 8:17:21 PM
        
        The point is who gets to decide. - TB - 2/11/2009 8:33:30 PM
        
        re: The point is who gets to decide. - Andrew - 2/11/2009 10:00:47 PM
    - OK. Fine. What WILL it involve, and when? - Bowser - 2/11/2009 7:05:37 AM

Obama advisersâ€™ Citigroup ties raise questions - Jody - 2/11/2009 8:57:07 PM

How Do You Know Republicans Are Playing Partisan Politics On The Stimulus? - et - 2/10/2009 3:22:52 AM
- Because their lips are moving? (n/t) - McFly - 2/10/2009 5:30:03 PM
- Did you read the documents? - TB - 2/10/2009 5:03:38 AM
  - Uhhhhhh, QUICK QUESTION????? - carl - 2/10/2009 5:55:53 PM
    - He doesn't care, Carl (n/t) - McFly - 2/11/2009 2:53:23 AM
      - Ahhh, McFly...nothing is what it seems. (n/t) - Jody - 2/11/2009 3:53:34 PM
        
        re: Ahhh, McFly...nothing is what it seems. - TB - 2/11/2009 5:23:24 PM

Right wing fueled hatred. - et - 2/10/2009 9:16:11 PM
- Pathetic... - Jody - 2/11/2009 2:22:03 PM
- Search for root causes. Ask "Why did he hate us?" - The Silent Majority - 2/11/2009 4:08:02 AM
  - Well, you've certainly opened up Pandora's box - Lindy - 2/11/2009 6:15:31 AM
    - An apology of sorts... - Lindy - 2/11/2009 4:22:00 PM
  - Hatred... - et - 2/11/2009 5:47:01 AM
- And mental illness - Lindy - 2/11/2009 1:44:35 AM

"Obama Administration Maintains Bush Position on 'Extraordinary Rendition' Lawsuit" - TB - 2/10/2009 1:59:55 AM
- Obama is proving himself to be a realist. GOOD. I was afraid of another idealistic idiot like Carter. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 2/10/2009 2:22:59 PM
  - re: Obama is proving himself to be a realist. GOOD. I was afraid of another idealistic idiot like Carter. - Hans - 2/11/2009 2:16:06 AM
    - re: Obama is proving himself to be a realist. GOOD. I was afraid of another idealistic idiot like Carter. - David F Mayer - 2/11/2009 12:32:44 PM

USA was 3 hrs away from Economic, Political Collapse in September 2008 - et - 2/10/2009 7:34:04 PM
- If anyone was paying attention... - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/10/2009 9:53:28 PM
- WE DON'T KNOW - carl - 2/10/2009 9:40:40 PM
- I wouldn't mind knowing who made the withdrawals. - TB - 2/10/2009 8:09:38 PM
  - Thats right, it's not true till you hear it from the GOP choir organ. (n/t) - et - 2/10/2009 9:09:14 PM
    - Yeah, politicians never make anything up. - TB - 2/10/2009 9:34:02 PM
      - *cough* Iraq War *cough* - et - 2/10/2009 9:41:43 PM
        
        Is there even the slightest chance you could come within a parsec of the point? - TB - 2/10/2009 11:46:31 PM
        
        Well, since were indulging the notion of conspiracy and ignoring market forces... - et - 2/11/2009 1:41:36 AM
        
        "indulging" the notion of conspiracy? - TB - 2/11/2009 5:12:59 AM
        
        Made up my mind. (n/t) - End Transmission. - 2/11/2009 5:49:21 AM

Anybody remember "what's-her-name?" - TB - 2/11/2009 12:14:10 AM
- The facts that this State Dept. has some depth? - et - 2/11/2009 1:37:19 AM

Fox 'News' 'Report' on Stimulus, Replicated from GOP Press Release, Typos and All - et - 2/10/2009 9:43:31 PM
- link - et - 2/10/2009 9:44:30 PM

ILLEGAL ALiens Say AMERICAN DREAM no Work for THEM - carl - 2/10/2009 5:59:14 PM

Japan's stimulus experience - TB - 2/8/2009 3:06:14 AM
- Disasterous consequences of Japan's financing of Raegan debt - E.P. - 2/9/2009 4:28:30 PM
  - What's funny... - TB - 2/10/2009 12:53:04 AM
- re: Japan's stimulus experience - SteveS - 2/8/2009 3:01:06 PM

That old "Lancet" study on Iraq casualties - TB - 2/5/2009 11:36:21 PM
- Under investigation, not convicted. - et - 2/9/2009 4:26:27 PM

How to do it right. Win every battle. And still lose. - Bowser - 2/8/2009 3:56:18 PM
- re: How to do it right - TB - 2/8/2009 9:46:55 PM
  - What? - Bowser - 2/8/2009 10:31:58 PM
    - I don't get my information from Bob Woodward. - TB - 2/9/2009 12:39:04 AM
      - I don't either. - Bowser - 2/9/2009 1:39:31 AM
- I agree, we should go unconventional. - Lee - 2/8/2009 6:48:32 PM

Iraqi election results - TB - 2/5/2009 11:42:04 PM
- Victory for sectarianism. Who would have though it? Maybe Bush's policies were not so bad. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 2/8/2009 2:22:18 PM
  - There's still a long road to go. - TB - 2/8/2009 9:57:06 PM
    - Arab history suggests that Iraq will return to solving problems by violence. - David F Mayer - 2/9/2009 12:14:42 AM

Definition of insanity? - TB - 2/7/2009 6:39:12 PM
- re: Definition of insanity? - SteveS - 2/8/2009 4:32:17 PM
- re: Definition of insanity? - David F Mayer - 2/8/2009 2:22:28 AM
- Penny wise, pound foolish. (n/t) - Jody - 2/7/2009 7:17:53 PM
- Why? - Lindy - 2/7/2009 7:10:53 PM
  - No Lindy. - TB - 2/7/2009 7:24:07 PM
    - Not to mention renters - dtb - 2/8/2009 2:38:55 PM
    - re: No - Lindy - 2/7/2009 7:42:34 PM

Republicans get $100 billion for AIG, parties, and cuts $20 billion + from education, Head Start. - Bowser - 2/8/2009 1:32:15 AM
- Having worked with (not for) AIG, I have concluded that AIG consists of the - David F Mayer - 2/8/2009 2:20:49 AM
- I can hardly read any more - Lindy - 2/8/2009 1:47:23 AM
  - I can 't read anything at all. - TB - 2/8/2009 2:08:48 AM
    - Wait, here's something - TB - 2/8/2009 2:53:48 AM

"Paulson Overpaid by $78 Billion for TARP Bank Equity" - after "trust me" plea. - Bowser - 2/7/2009 12:09:14 AM
- "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." - Lindy - 2/7/2009 7:01:00 PM
  - "May not be reviewed by any court of law ...." - Disgusted - 2/7/2009 7:20:24 PM
- The details - TB - 2/7/2009 12:32:14 AM

Exopolitics - Part II - Eric - 2/7/2009 11:06:00 AM
- "What are Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton waiting for?" - The Silent Majority - 2/7/2009 1:41:10 PM
  - Don't laugh - Lindy - 2/7/2009 4:58:41 PM

Stock market rises sharply on hopes that Obama will emerge victorious over Republican intransigence and obstructionism - z - 2/6/2009 9:45:26 PM
- Another theory - TB - 2/6/2009 11:43:58 PM
  - Mark to market - SteveS - 2/7/2009 12:29:13 AM

Compensation restrictions: the fine print - TB - 2/5/2009 11:32:51 PM
- Its calles incentive - E.P. - 2/6/2009 10:46:21 PM
- Plebe pandering: your side had Terry Schaivo, we have CEO pay (n/t) - dtb - 2/6/2009 2:02:21 AM

Sen. Claire McCaskill unloads.... - Jody - 2/3/2009 4:47:08 AM
- Idiots running Wells Fargo, too, apparently - z - 2/4/2009 12:52:24 AM
  - More on Wells Fargo - TB - 2/4/2009 7:04:24 PM
    - re: More on Wells Fargo - please - Laurie Street - 2/5/2009 5:04:25 PM
      - Links - SteveS - 2/5/2009 9:42:21 PM
        
        As TB is so fond of saying... - Laurie Street - 2/5/2009 10:08:33 PM
        
        Thatâ€™s why I mentioned the references - SteveS - 2/5/2009 10:54:43 PM
    - Interesting last paragraph... - Jody - 2/4/2009 9:04:12 PM
      - To re-emphasize... - TB - 2/5/2009 12:27:53 AM
        
        Actually....I was digressing.. - Jody - 2/5/2009 3:34:30 AM
        
        re: Actually....I was digressing.. - TB - 2/5/2009 3:58:47 AM
        
        BTW...Okay..don't laugh... - Jody - 2/5/2009 4:16:05 AM
        
        Some details - TB - 2/5/2009 5:11:34 AM
    - Meanwhile, back at the ruling class... - TB - 2/4/2009 8:03:52 PM
  - re: Idiots running Wells Fargo - TB - 2/4/2009 1:17:30 AM
    - I am in need of a further explanation TB... - Jody - 2/4/2009 2:10:51 AM
      - Government perks - dtb - 2/4/2009 6:24:18 AM
        
        Sorry, are you major government leader? - TB - 2/4/2009 7:01:40 AM
        
        re: Sorry, are you major government leader? - dtb - 2/4/2009 11:52:40 AM
        
        re: Sorry - TB - 2/4/2009 6:06:05 PM
        
        uh oh.... - Jody - 2/4/2009 6:30:23 PM
        
        Believe me... - TB - 2/4/2009 6:40:25 PM
- It's past time to return the highest brakcet back to its old rate of income tax - E.P. - 2/3/2009 7:04:19 PM
  - Liberal economics - TB - 2/3/2009 7:24:50 PM
    - re: Liberal economics - E.P. - 2/3/2009 9:51:13 PM
- re: Sen. Claire McCaskill unloads.... - Lindy - 2/3/2009 4:52:01 PM
  - She is one gutsy lady...I like her... - Jody - 2/3/2009 5:29:21 PM
    - And she's MY Senator! :-) (n/t) - Eri - 2/4/2009 1:46:07 AM

Yay Sweden! - TB - 2/5/2009 6:26:45 PM

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