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Art Martin — 8/5/2004 5:02:19 AM (archived)

Well put-together points but the sacrifice I'm calling for isn't necessarily in the lives of our soldiers. Perhaps it's more in the citizens of the country that get to sit back and watch it all unfold on tv. Somehow we can go nation build and drop bombs and yet we have our political leaders calling for increasing the amount of oil we pull out of the ground. That's not the humble message that the WWII generation gave. They did the responsible thing and conserved. In recent years our per vehicle gas mileage averages have actually increased when simple logic says we should use some of those smarts you refer to to greatly reduce our consumption. So we can't have Hummers in our garages during insecure global times. Does our Americanism have to display the greed so profoundly?

We want it all. Is it that much of a stretch to see how that can anger other people in the world that get such a small piece of it all?

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War requires sacrifice - Neocons want none - Art Martin - 7/29/2004 2:51:57 AM
- Reality. It's a new world and it's an old world. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/5/2004 1:38:41 AM
  - re: Reality. It's a new world and it's an old world. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/5/2004 9:20:31 AM
  - re: Reality. It's a new world and it's an old world. - Art Martin - 8/5/2004 5:02:19 AM
- Have you checked lately to see who is doing all the whining? - Tom Brosz - 7/29/2004 4:08:29 AM
  - re: Have you checked lately to see who is doing all the whining? - REB - 7/30/2004 3:05:37 PM
    - re: The most important matter..... - Raoul - 7/30/2004 6:32:09 PM
      - Okay, so even by your assumptions they now have one chance in four. Before, it was zero. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 7/30/2004 10:59:29 PM
  - re: How about.... - Raoul - 7/29/2004 9:20:55 PM
    - Not victims - Tom Brosz - 7/29/2004 10:13:31 PM
      - re: A handful= very few, isn't it? (n/t) - Raoul - 7/30/2004 4:37:38 PM
        
        "Handful" was the reporter's editorial comment. - Tom Brosz - 7/30/2004 5:59:43 PM
      - Tom, do you have children? - Art Martin - 7/29/2004 10:29:29 PM
        
        Two. - Tom Brosz - 7/30/2004 12:18:48 AM
        
        Same here - REB - 7/30/2004 3:41:13 PM
    - My military service wasn't about war - Art Martin - 7/29/2004 10:03:39 PM
      - Neocons as wanna-be soldiers? - Lindy - 7/31/2004 6:31:31 PM
      - It's not just an adventure - it's a job (n/t) - Fox - 7/30/2004 3:31:26 AM
      - There are still a hell of a lot of people enlisting right now. Are they assuming that the military has nothing to do with combat, too? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 7/30/2004 12:30:21 AM
        
        They do not understand. They listen to people like you, who don't understand. (n/t) - Bowser - 7/30/2004 3:56:07 AM
        
        Plus: - Mary Anne - 7/31/2004 3:54:43 AM
        
        Cripes. You too? - Tom Brosz - 7/31/2004 4:24:27 AM
        
        Oh, cripes yourself. - Mary Anne - 7/31/2004 4:42:59 PM
        
        re: Oh, cripes yourself. - Tom Brosz - 8/1/2004 2:31:22 AM
        
        You forget who I work with. - Mary Anne - 8/2/2004 4:05:28 AM
        
        re: You forget who I work with. - gbaikie - 8/3/2004 1:07:01 AM
        
        I never suggested the voting age be raised in the first place. - Mary Anne - 8/5/2004 12:55:22 PM
        
        Maybe both the enlistment AND the voting age should be raised. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/3/2004 4:54:09 AM
        
        Remember 1971? - Fox - 8/4/2004 8:27:39 PM
        
        Surprised nobody thought of it back then. - Tom Brosz - 8/5/2004 4:56:40 AM
        
        Surprised? Shouldn't be. The phrase is "cannon fodder" - Fox - 8/6/2004 2:26:37 AM
        
        re: Maybe both the enlistment AND the voting age should be raised. - SDG - 8/3/2004 8:27:48 PM
        
        Caution - Tom Brosz - 8/3/2004 10:56:54 PM
        
        re: Caution - SDG - 8/4/2004 12:09:46 AM
        
        In other words, you think they're idiots too. - Tom Brosz - 7/30/2004 4:58:09 AM
        
        You're being silly. - Bowser - 7/30/2004 12:16:05 PM
        
        You might want to stop digging. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 7/30/2004 5:53:58 PM
        
        And that's as childish as you've been in a long time. - Bowser - 7/31/2004 12:38:03 AM
        
        Really? - Tom Brosz - 7/31/2004 3:49:43 AM
        
        re: Ah, Really? - Raoul - 7/31/2004 5:53:59 PM
  - So Saudi Arabia is next on your hit list Tom? - Art Martin - 7/29/2004 3:25:33 PM
    - just curious - SDG - 8/3/2004 6:09:08 PM
      - re: just curious - Art Martin - 8/4/2004 12:19:27 AM
- Sure they do - just not their own. - Fox - 7/29/2004 3:52:03 AM
- Shrug your shoulders and move on if you want - Lee - 7/29/2004 3:47:09 AM
  - UFOlogy - Fox - 7/29/2004 4:18:25 AM
    - A bit from Lileks today on paranoia... - Tom Brosz - 7/29/2004 6:19:42 AM
      - Add Lileks to the list of morons... - alcaray - 7/29/2004 3:45:16 PM
        
        Do you honestly think... - Tom Brosz - 7/29/2004 4:10:42 PM
        
        I know... - alcaray - 7/29/2004 6:27:09 PM
        
        re: I know... - Tom Brosz - 7/29/2004 7:01:52 PM
      - Maybe you should marry Lileks. I could care less what the moron thinks. (n/t) - Art Martin - 7/29/2004 3:27:35 PM
    - re: UFOlogy - Tom Brosz - 7/29/2004 6:05:27 AM
    - Ah yes, the Who, paragons of the Democratic party. - Lee - 7/29/2004 4:44:40 AM
      - You, of course, prefer the "Horst Wessel Lied" - Fox - 7/30/2004 11:17:30 PM
        
        And people critcize me for obscure references. (n/t) - Lee - 7/31/2004 4:16:58 AM
        
        Rough translation is that he's calling you a Nazi again. - Tom Brosz - 8/2/2004 1:31:33 AM
        
        Learning "the lessons of history" is easier if you learn the history . . . - Fox - 8/1/2004 10:22:48 PM
        
        Or where the mistakes were made. - Lee - 8/2/2004 6:38:01 AM
        
        Okay, Lee. Getting creepy again. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/3/2004 5:32:36 AM
        
        Guess I saw one too many Vincent Price movies growing up. - Lee - 8/3/2004 7:04:08 AM
        
        No, your humor tends to the ignorant neonazi side... - R.L. - 8/3/2004 9:00:56 AM
        
        And your omnipotent messianic personality is a bit of a bore. - Lee - 8/3/2004 8:00:06 PM

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