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Tony — 8/17/2005 6:53:51 PM (archived)

What threat did Afghanistan itself pose to us pre-9/11?
I've had a long thread with Mark on this kinda thing before and we both stayed in our aforeseen conclusions.
Myself, I pont to the fallout clinton got for just lobbing a few missiles. Congress would NEVER have approved a war with Afghanistan (or Iraq for that matter) pre 9/11 (no matter who the Pres was).

I don't think Iran should have nuclear weapons. I don't think India, Pakistan or North Korea should either. Do I have solutions for any of these? Nope.

The last is somewhat strawmanish.
I see the bar has been irrevocably lowered to WMD programs (at least not WMD program related activities, so maybe it's rising).
Are they considered a threat because they are Islamist, or because they have WMD?

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Beating the drums of war...again! - Jack Herer - 8/13/2005 1:47:19 PM
- Well, are you going to bother replying? - Sam F. - 8/14/2005 11:17:21 AM
  - They don't have an answer, Sam. - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2005 7:16:33 PM
    - Not seeing many suggestions here either........ (n/t) - Tony - 8/15/2005 9:10:57 PM
      - re: suggestions - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2005 11:05:08 PM
        
        re: suggestions - Tony - 8/17/2005 3:44:47 PM
        
        re: suggestions - Tom Brosz - 8/17/2005 6:32:35 PM
        
        Against, depends and insufficient data - Tony - 8/17/2005 6:53:51 PM
        
        re: Against, depends - Tom Brosz - 8/17/2005 10:49:48 PM
- "War is the extenion of foreign policy by other means." -- von Clausewitz (n/t) - David F Mayer - 8/14/2005 3:42:50 AM
- Bush the Barbarian knows nothing else - if others fight it for him. (n/t) - Bowser, aka "Madonna" - 8/13/2005 9:35:19 PM
- You might want to talk with Donald, your fellow Lib. - Lee - 8/13/2005 9:24:13 PM
- re: Beating the drums of war...again! - Iranian student - 8/13/2005 8:56:32 PM
  - George Bush cares about Iranians? - Lindy - 8/14/2005 7:57:32 AM
    - re: George Bush cares about Iranians? - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 2:35:12 PM
      - I think I smell poo poo - Lindy - 8/14/2005 7:15:56 PM
        
        I think I smell poo poo........ - Publius - 8/15/2005 2:16:26 PM
        
        re: I think I smell poo poo - Iranian student - 8/15/2005 1:17:36 AM
        
        Psst.... - Lindy - 8/15/2005 5:38:33 AM
  - Would invading Iran without the people and tools to do the job really help the Iranians? - Mary Anne - 8/14/2005 1:02:01 AM
    - Oh yeah, and gas at $ 3.00 reaching for $5........... - Publius - 8/14/2005 4:30:40 PM
    - re: Would invading Iran without the people and tools to do the job really help the Iranians? - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 2:10:34 AM
      - Zarathustirans? I would have expected.... - FrankC - 8/14/2005 2:42:13 AM
        
        re: Zarathustirans? I would have expected.... - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 2:50:43 AM
    - Ever hear of NATO? - Lee - 8/14/2005 1:35:02 AM
      - Yes. I notice most of the member nations are not in Iraq. - Mary Anne - 8/14/2005 2:52:30 PM
        
        Actually, most of them are. But, what the heck. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2005 8:04:08 PM
        
        Name them. There are 26 member nations of NATO. - Mary Anne - 8/15/2005 10:08:22 PM
        
        re: Name them - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2005 11:14:57 PM
        
        Got me by one. 14 participating, including us. - Mary Anne - 8/16/2005 12:39:51 PM
        
        Of course, that doesn't include the non-NATO nations. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/17/2005 7:45:02 AM
        
        Which was not the topic, but thank you. - Mary Anne - 8/17/2005 12:33:18 PM
        
        Do you people get charged extra by your internet services for clicking on links? - Tom Brosz - 8/17/2005 6:57:42 PM
        
        No, I looked. - Mary Anne - 8/18/2005 3:06:09 AM
        
        re: No, I looked. - Tom Brosz - 8/18/2005 4:11:04 AM
        
        "Agreements and commitments" - only possible if the other party is genuine - Sam F. - 8/14/2005 4:31:05 PM
        
        re: "Agreements and commitments": I meant by other members of NATO. - Mary Anne - 8/14/2005 4:51:04 PM
        
        No apology necessary - Sam F. - 8/14/2005 5:31:54 PM
        
        I've been following the shell game. - Mary Anne - 8/14/2005 6:06:45 PM
        
        re: I've been following the shell game. - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2005 8:08:07 PM
        
        Would you rather shoot first and ask questions later? (n/t) - Mary Anne - 8/15/2005 9:48:53 PM
        
        Forget it Tom. Its water under the bridge. - RNC Puppetmaster ;) - 8/15/2005 9:13:11 PM
        
        You won't have to wait for long.... - Lindy - 8/15/2005 8:26:02 PM
  - Well then there you go... - FrankC - 8/13/2005 10:16:02 PM
    - We have bases surrounding Iran, I say we use them. - Lee - 8/14/2005 12:48:06 AM
      - re: We have bases surrounding Iran, I say we use them. - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 4:41:34 AM
    - re: Well then there you go... - Alan G. Archer - 8/13/2005 11:31:11 PM
      - He was using an anonymous proxy server - R.L. - 8/14/2005 12:14:43 AM
        
        How did you figure that out? - Gary - 8/14/2005 3:22:25 AM
        
        not hard - R.L. - 8/14/2005 3:31:57 AM
        
        re: How did you figure that out? - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 3:27:06 AM
        
        Be careful - Gary - 8/14/2005 3:46:32 AM
        
        Agreed... - R.L. - 8/14/2005 3:59:22 AM
        
        re: Agreed... - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 4:12:37 AM
        
        I hope you keep coming here... - R.L. - 8/14/2005 4:37:07 AM
        
        re: I hope you keep coming here... - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 4:47:33 AM
        
        re: He was using an anonymous proxy server - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 12:29:41 AM
        
        Interesting... - R.L. - 8/14/2005 2:29:29 AM
        
        re: Interesting... - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 2:55:40 AM
        
        Okay... - R.L. - 8/14/2005 3:08:24 AM
        
        re: Okay... - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 3:21:02 AM
        
        What about this idea... - R.L. - 8/14/2005 3:29:55 AM
        
        re: What about this idea... - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 4:17:54 AM
        
        I am curious.... - R.L. - 8/14/2005 6:17:29 AM
        
        re: I am curious.... - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 1:50:30 PM
        
        Blah! C'mon R.L - Todd - 8/14/2005 7:07:55 AM
        
        I was skeptical - R.L. - 8/14/2005 9:03:01 AM
        
        re: I was skeptical - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 2:09:07 PM
        
        Some interesting analysis there - Sam F. - 8/14/2005 11:05:14 AM
        
        re: Some interesting analysis there - R.L. - 8/14/2005 12:09:55 PM
        
        Possibly - R.L. - 8/14/2005 7:40:34 AM
      - re: Well then there you go... - Iranian student - 8/13/2005 11:47:48 PM
        
        The cost of bones - Alan G. Archer - 8/14/2005 2:34:53 AM
        
        re: The cost of bones - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 2:57:37 AM
        
        re: The cost of bones - Alan G. Archer - 8/14/2005 3:34:29 AM
        
        re: The cost of bones - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 4:22:04 AM
    - here you go... - R.L. - 8/13/2005 11:16:01 PM
      - re: here you go... - Iranian student - 8/13/2005 11:51:30 PM
      - From what I've read, a counter-revolution against the mullahs is NOT near term - Gary - 8/13/2005 11:48:20 PM
        
        re: From what I've read, a counter-revolution against the mullahs is NOT near term - Iranian student - 8/13/2005 11:59:43 PM
        
        This poster represents the Iranians in America that I know - p - 8/14/2005 12:26:19 AM
        
        re: Iranians in America - Fox - 8/14/2005 3:52:49 PM
        
        re: This poster represents the Iranians in America that I know - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 12:33:29 AM
        
        Please excuse me, but I smell BS. - Todd - 8/14/2005 6:31:19 AM
        
        re: the quality of English - Mary Anne - 8/14/2005 5:03:04 PM
        
        re: Please excuse me, but I smell BS. - Iranian student - 8/14/2005 3:00:51 PM
        
        See my post to you above - R.L. - 8/14/2005 9:24:15 AM
- re: Beating the drums of war...again! - p - 8/13/2005 4:53:20 PM

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