As I recall, the famous McLuhan innovation in media analysis is to recognize that the medium itself is a conveyer of information and culture. It ties in with the (his?) whole notion auto-amputation(*). Cold media (If I recall they are intuitively reversed, as he was fond of doing with terms) is media that the relator/experiencer has to adapt a passive stance to, it requires that the expieriencer do virtually nothing in the way of information processing. Auto amputation of the higher function of the brain, if I recall, in a heavy-handed interpretation of it (again, over-simpifications and yada yada, but damned if I'm going to write a dissertation on this.)
Now, my point is that emotion is *A* medium of consciousness, but NOT its message- IE, not its content. In other-words, we say things or think things in emotional contexts, but those contexts themselves are not objectively meaningful in the information processing sense. They are a state of mind, for sure, and a part of mind, but they are not themselves the content of mind (thought). Emotional states can be shared and enjoyed, and shared and enjoyed together- but they are stage and molding clay for the thing that gives them their meaning and value- thought. IE, if we had emotion but no thought, the emotion would have no meaning.
Now, in your deep understanding, please show me how the hell I'm even alluding to Marshall Mcluhan? Really, I'm just f-ing dying to know how we get 'A is B' (mcluhan) from my statement of 'A IS NOT B'? Hmm? How does any logic work that way? Please explain.
(*) That innovations do not necessarily free us,nor are they 'man amplifiers'. We invent the car, but lose the knack of walking. We invent the pda/phone and loose our capacity for memory. etc
Mcluhan had a point up to a point. He belonged to that wave of academics in the 60's and 70's that were reacting to the techno-utopianism of the previous decades. My feeling is that just as the utopianists missed the downside of technology and media, McLuhan missed the upside. The point is, like everything in this universe, its a give and take. We did lose a pedestrian society and pedestrian cultural geography when we transitioned to the car, but we gained a mobile society and all the benefits that come with it. Technological innovations are merely events in cultural evolution. Of course mcluhan wasn't as simple as just a critic of technology, but taken as a whole, the framework of concepts he developed, referenced and extended paint a pretty dire picture of man-and-machine.
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- Notice to newcomers [Originally Posted to Off-topic by R.L. on 9/4/2005 5:35:26 AM]
- Scream obscenities at the messenger all you want.
- I'm not moderator here.
- Well coming from someone who told him to bring down with both feet on me.
- I encouraged him to come down with both feet on *racism*.
- Very good Mary Anne * Humanity 101 * now in session
- "quintessential embodiment"
- You now regret you clicked "post" on that one... ;-)
- Not really
- "Hate doesn't kill people, people kill people"
- Are you really helpless before your emotions?
- a tutorial for an informed life. IE, the point Robert is trying to make and you are blindly dancing around without noticing is there
- For me, this grates like hearing people say newk-you-ler: it is "massage"
- Your reference to
- "Hate doesn't kill people, people kill people"
- Not really
- You now regret you clicked "post" on that one... ;-)
- Lee appears to hate people based on their race.
- I don't hate them, just apathetic.
- re: I don't hate them, just apathetic.
- re: I don't hate them, just apathetic.
- If they merit it, then yes. (n/t)
- Catch-22
- It is an EVIL way to look at the world.
- No, it's simply an ignorant way to look at the world
- The majority of Humanity
- You might not notice...
- So 3.3 billion people vanish....
- Hey, Frank ...
- Up until 70 years ago, my view was the majority view amongst the cream of society.
- I hope you're playing Devil's Advocate, Lee...
- No, he is not... (n/t)
- Walked right into that one, didn't you? (n/t)
- Thanks for reminding me, then, that we have made some progress in the last 70 years! Looks like you are good for something after-all (n/t)
- I hope you're playing Devil's Advocate, Lee...
- Up until 70 years ago, my view was the majority view amongst the cream of society.
- Hey, Frank ...
- The majority of Humanity
- No, it's simply an ignorant way to look at the world
- It is an EVIL way to look at the world.
- Catch-22
- If they merit it, then yes. (n/t)
- Is it really?
- I don't hate them, just apathetic.
- "quintessential embodiment"
- Don't worry about his words, I can handle Shaka Lafon.
- Very good Mary Anne * Humanity 101 * now in session
- I encouraged him to come down with both feet on *racism*.
- Well coming from someone who told him to bring down with both feet on me.
- I'm not moderator here.
- Meanwhile, the stench from New Orleans continues to rise. [Originally posted to Off-Topic by Lee on 9/4/2005 2:40:55 PM]
- Heh, heh. [Originally Posted to Off-Topic by Bowser on 9/4/2005 11:48:49 AM]
- re: Notice to newcomers - RL Sometimes Has Reading Problems [Originally Posted to Off-Topic by Mark Eby on 9/4/2005 10:24:49 AM]
- hey - go easy on the throwback [Originally Posted to Off-Topic by Daniel on 9/4/2005 8:17:48 AM]
- I meant that in a GOOD way.... [Originally Posted to Off-Topic by R.L. on 9/4/2005 6:53:15 AM] (n/t)
- Scream obscenities at the messenger all you want.
