re: You think.

ER — 10/12/2006 3:28:23 AM (archived)

It may come to that. I believe we are at war, and I believe we have to win or we risk disaster. What I don't believe is that Iraq is the place. It never was the place. And even if we level it flat it will not win the war. Perhaps if we had gone about it differently from the start it might have worked, I wrote a whole post on how I think the Bush team originally reasoned that out, and the plan was not without some merit, but it didn't work and I don't think we can win this war in that place now.

It's a tactical decision. I may be wrong, but that's what I think. The point is that I, like many other Americans, have differences with you over strategy, but you're convinced that means we want to surrender. Not only does that cost you allies, it does little to give us faith in your plan. You've confused winning in Iraq with defeating a world-wide Islamic conspiracy. Iraq only matters to those who've staked their reputations on it.

There are only two ways the terrorists can win, either they force us to accept their terms because they can hurt us and we can't fight back, or they starve us for oil by taking over all our sources of it. Nothing we do in Iraq is going to change that. It makes no difference what happens there, win or lose.

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Limiting Failure - alcaray - 10/11/2006 6:44:50 PM
- "Get all these palefaces out of here." (Unknown Marine--1975) - ER - 10/11/2006 8:19:53 PM
  - It won't happen while Bush is in office. - Scott Evil - 10/12/2006 3:51:45 PM
  - re: Why would a US withdrawal result in an all out civil war? - Raoul - 10/11/2006 9:22:48 PM
    - I hope you are right - alcaray - 10/12/2006 6:25:58 PM
      - re: What is so shameful - Raoul - 10/12/2006 7:31:43 PM
        
        Won't have that problem. President McCain did vote for the war. (n/t) - Murph the Smurf - 10/13/2006 1:35:11 PM
    - Really an Iraqi Civil War wouldn't be all bad... - Scott Evil - 10/12/2006 3:55:11 PM
      - Iraqi Shiites have little in common with Iran - Lee - 10/13/2006 6:55:13 AM
      - Relax ALCRAY... That was sarcasm... - Scott Evil - 10/12/2006 4:07:36 PM
        
        ok... Jesse Jackson Might get away with the "vaulted" slip up...But I expect arrows! - Scott Evil - 10/12/2006 4:09:35 PM
    - I'm afraid I must disagree, Raoul. - ER - 10/11/2006 11:42:21 PM
      - Postponement - Tom Brosz - 10/12/2006 1:00:22 AM
        
        Sticking to the Democrats will surrender theme I see. - Tony - 10/12/2006 2:35:36 AM
        
        Now yer talking some sense. And you're already blaming Democrats. - Bowser - 10/12/2006 1:08:57 AM
        
        Face it, Tom. The Islamists have Iraq. They've had it for 2 years. (n/t) - ER - 10/12/2006 1:05:54 AM
        
        re: Face it - Tom Brosz - 10/12/2006 1:40:21 AM
        
        Tom, THINK! - ER - 10/12/2006 2:23:54 AM
        
        You think. - Tom Brosz - 10/12/2006 2:44:00 AM
        
        Ahh, Tom - Publius - 10/12/2006 9:00:48 PM
        
        re: Ahh, Publius - Tom Brosz - 10/13/2006 1:44:11 AM
        
        re: You think. - ER - 10/12/2006 3:28:23 AM
        
        Think strategically for a moment... - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/12/2006 4:18:50 AM
        
        I don't agree. - Tom Brosz - 10/12/2006 4:23:36 AM
        
        You're not cynical enough Tom - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/12/2006 4:36:57 AM
        
        re: You think. - Tom Brosz - 10/12/2006 3:43:33 AM
        
        re: You think. - ER - 10/12/2006 4:43:10 AM
        
        re: You think. - Tom Brosz - 10/12/2006 5:14:06 AM
        
        bravo - Ian Cognito - 10/12/2006 3:39:29 AM
        
        Your side has no solutions at all. - Tom Brosz - 10/12/2006 3:44:33 AM
        
        Remember when Clinton used to submit proposed budgets to the Republican congress? - alcaray - 10/12/2006 5:42:19 PM
        
        We have the most important part of the solution in hand - Robert - 10/12/2006 4:27:49 PM
        
        Ah. The "we have a Secret Plan" gambit. - Tom Brosz - 10/12/2006 10:07:07 PM
        
        Ah, the "I got nothing either, but you're a weiner" gambit (n/t) - tony - 10/13/2006 2:21:14 AM
        
        Your side has no solutions. No plan, no nothin'. - Bowser - 10/12/2006 6:34:00 AM
        
        Balls - Ian Cognito - 10/12/2006 4:27:55 AM
        
        Actually, I must confess I agree with you on that comment. (n/t) - ER - 10/12/2006 3:54:24 AM
        
        which one? - I.C. - 10/12/2006 4:38:45 AM
        
        That wasn't directed at you. - Tom Brosz - 10/12/2006 4:04:25 AM
    - Good thought........ - Publius - 10/11/2006 9:38:43 PM
- "Quagmire" AND "Civil War" They've managed "both - and", not "either - or". - Bowser - 10/11/2006 8:06:10 PM

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