I know we didn’t find a nuclear bomb sitting in one of Saddam’s palaces. And to be honest, we did not find the WMD I thought we would, but I have seen enough evidence that Saddam was working on them and would have perused them full scale once he got the chance. Even that famous David Kays showed WMD evidence (See at the end of this post). Yet Bush’s opponents used this very report to say Iraq had no WMD and started the who “Bush lied†chanting.
But WMD have been found since that report came out. And sure, these WMD shells that were found were probably made in the 1980’s but they were the same type Saddam used to kill 10 of thousands of Kurds and Iranians. He told the UN he had destroyed them all, yet he had not.
What I am tired of is this “Bush Lied†chanting.
President Bush was not the first US president to attack Saddam over WMD. We all know about operation Desert Fox.
Saddam had WMD. He had used them to kill thousands. He didn’t destroy them all as he had claimed. And he had programs in place to start up as soon as he could. (Why the man was ever left in power after 1990 is beyond me, and I blame George W Bush for that, but that is another topic).
Clinton and Bush both had evidence that Saddam had WMD. And politicians from both sides of the political playing field knew Saddam had them as well. Bush did not lie about it.
BTW, what happened to that trailer that was supposed to be for weather balloons? How many weather balloons did Saddam’s Iraq ever launch? I still think that was a biological weapons facility.
From the David Kay’s Report
We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has discovered that should have been declared to the UN. Let me just give you a few examples of these concealment efforts, some of which I will elaborate on later:
• A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research.
• A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.
• Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.
• New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.
• Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists' homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).
• A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.
• Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.
• Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km - well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.
• Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.
In addition to the discovery of extensive concealment efforts, we have been faced with a systematic sanitization of documentary and computer evidence in a wide range of offices, laboratories, and companies suspected of WMD work. The pattern of these efforts to erase evidence - hard drives destroyed, specific files burned, equipment cleaned of all traces of use - are ones of deliberate, rather than random, acts. For example,
• On 10 July 2003 an ISG team exploited the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC) Headquarters in Baghdad. The basement of the main building contained an archive of documents situated on well-organized rows of metal shelving. The basement suffered no fire damage despite the total destruction of the upper floors from coalition air strikes. Upon arrival the exploitation team encountered small piles of ash where individual documents or binders of documents were intentionally destroyed. Computer hard drives had been deliberately destroyed. Computers would have had financial value to a random looter; their destruction, rather than removal for resale or reuse, indicates a targeted effort to prevent Coalition forces from gaining access to their contents.
• All IIS laboratories visited by IIS exploitation teams have been clearly sanitized, including removal of much equipment, shredding and burning of documents, and even the removal of nameplates from office doors.
• Although much of the deliberate destruction and sanitization of documents and records probably occurred during the height of OIF combat operations, indications of significant continuing destruction efforts have been found after the end of major combat operations, including entry in May 2003 of the locked gated vaults of the Ba'ath party intelligence building in Baghdad and highly selective destruction of computer hard drives and data storage equipment along with the burning of a small number of specific binders that appear to have contained financial and intelligence records, and in July 2003 a site exploitation team at the Abu Ghurayb Prison found one pile of the smoldering ashes from documents that was still warm to the touch.
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Thanks Art. That is actually a decent post and has some good points.
The whole thread (52 posts)
- No connnection
- You guys have turned me around in less than a year...
- Also the "No WMD" lie.
- The Uranium...
- I followed up the first link on the 'BLOG' you sited (because we all know, BLOGS are the end-all-be-all of objective truth!)
- From the Department of Defense, June 29, 2006, "Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria" Official Says
- I followed and debunked 2 links as absolute bullshit. Laurie did another.
- When the Department of Denfense says that WMD have been found in Iraq, that is good enough for me.
- I followed and debunked 2 links as absolute bullshit. Laurie did another.
- More debunking
- From the Department of Defense, June 29, 2006, "Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria" Official Says
- give it up. Al Queda was everywhere except Iraq.
- Another breakdown of the time-binding faculty
- re: Still in denial
- re: Another breakdown of the time-binding faculty
- re: Another breakdown of the time-binding faculty
- Good work, Robert.
- Indeed!
