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Re: I understand this, Mary Anne, but . . .

D. Spires — 9/14/2002 2:32:26 PM (archived)

<Currently, we do have to wait until a crime is committed before charging someone with committing a crime. Only after a crime has been committed can a suspect be arrested.

These men were being investigated on suspicion of (I'm guessing here) criminal conspiracy, interstate transport of dangerous materials, and possibly reckless endangerment. Those are real crimes. It's very telling that they were detained for questioning, not arrested, but were put in handcuffs anyway.

This is not a matter of a crimeless offense. They were pulled over for jumping a toll. They were held under suspicion of another crime that needed to be investigated. That crime was conspiring to commit a terrorist act. The investigation showed this not to be the case, and they were duly released. They were handcuffed and separated to psychologically take them down a peg. This is how a proper interrogation is run, and the method is effective.

It was sloppy. The police need to consult their DA -- extensively -- and then they need to consult their PD's office, and then they need training. Lots and lots of it.

Nope. It was letter-perfect. The dogs reacted to the vehicle(s) (this was your missing police warrant), and the bomb squad was called in.

Dan

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They lie. - Bowser - 9/14/2002 8:05:05 AM
- What we have not become - Tom Brosz - 9/14/2002 4:02:54 PM
  - You don't know what you're saying here, Tom. - Bowser - 9/15/2002 4:04:55 PM
- Re: No, it's what you seem to have become . . . - D. Spires - 9/14/2002 1:44:49 PM
- Mistakes and confusion are not lies. - ebnelson - 9/14/2002 12:14:03 PM
- Re: Starting to get annoying now - Tom Brosz - 9/14/2002 9:37:36 AM
  - Corky always was just annoying n/t (n/t) - p - 9/15/2002 3:39:56 PM
  - A fair question. - Bowser - 9/15/2002 10:47:23 AM
    - Re: A reasonable answer - Tom Brosz - 9/15/2002 11:28:21 AM
  - Read your Anne Rand a little closer - Scott - 9/15/2002 10:26:30 AM
    - Re: Too many facts in today's media . . . - D. Spires - 9/16/2002 1:27:41 PM
  - If you were kept handcuffed in the back of a police car... - Mary Anne - 9/14/2002 10:55:42 AM
    - In reality it's a great tribute to America and our constitutional freedoms - Matt Burley - 9/14/2002 12:21:43 PM
    - MA, if you had reason to beleive someone was carting tnt into your town - ebnelson - 9/14/2002 12:17:08 PM
    - Re: handcuffed - Tom Brosz - 9/14/2002 11:05:02 AM
      - More than CNN - Mary Anne - 9/14/2002 11:42:33 AM
        
        Re: Why . . . ? - D. Spires - 9/14/2002 2:21:44 PM
        
        Who wouldn't be pissed - FrankC - 9/14/2002 12:41:06 PM
        
        I think you have a good handle on this. § (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/14/2002 12:22:10 PM
        
        Re: More than CNN - Tom Brosz - 9/14/2002 11:59:36 AM
        
        The photo shop girl had good evidence - Mary Anne - 9/14/2002 12:46:23 PM
- She lies - Anne Leftleaner - 9/14/2002 9:24:03 AM
  - Yes, it is all part of a skull & crossbones consiracy. § (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/14/2002 12:19:19 PM
  - Thank you for posting the article link. - Mary Anne - 9/14/2002 10:26:41 AM
    - Re: "Innocent until proven guilty" . . . - D. Spires - 9/14/2002 1:59:49 PM
      - Re: warrant - Mary Anne - 9/14/2002 2:18:44 PM
        
        The real problem is we are being bombarded with misinformation from both sides - Scott - 9/15/2002 10:10:51 AM
        
        Re: No overreaction at all . . . - D. Spires - 9/16/2002 1:22:17 PM
        
        Detention and investigation is completely lawful. - ebnelson - 9/14/2002 4:35:43 PM
        
        Re: I understand this, Mary Anne, but . . . - D. Spires - 9/14/2002 2:32:26 PM
        
        Yes but I'm sure somewhere there is a bad cop saying... - Scott - 9/15/2002 10:15:56 AM
        
        Re: At what point was it 'out of control' . . . ? - D. Spires - 9/16/2002 1:21:00 PM

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