The Soviets copied the Soyuz and Progress from the US?

Bowser — 6/2/2004 5:48:53 AM (archived)

Tell me about that. (I know, stand back 8 miles and the Soyuz looks like an Appolo capsule. They must have stolen the shape.)

And the lifting body approach to the Shuttle wouldn't lead most designs to be similar?

And the Soviets didn't design some of the best fighters the world has seen? (The USSR designed planes for battle, not air shows. Landing on old roads, not 10,000 foot concrete strips, burning perfume if they had to.)

How about the AK-47? Know anyone who would prefer an M-16 in a firefight? (Except for the distinctive sound. Fire an AK-47 around people with M-16s, and you're liable to get shot at.)

One of the things forgotten is that much of the European portion of the Soviet Union was DESTROYED by WWII, as well as 20 million citizens killed.

If the US had lost 20 million folk, and had the industrial base destroyed, you would have found a different situation, too.

The Soviets basically won WWII, albeit with some American equipment. And said equipment wasn't occupied with American soldiers, thereby saving American lives.

And their country suffered horribly.

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Ronald who? - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2004 12:26:29 AM
- Posthumous hindsight - Fox - 6/7/2004 10:41:49 PM
  - On the other hand... - Tom Brosz - 6/8/2004 4:45:28 AM
  - re: Posthumous hindsight - Tom Brosz - 6/8/2004 4:27:39 AM
    - It helps if you actually read newspapers - Tony - 6/8/2004 1:45:24 PM
- Yet another remarkable HZ thread...starts good, becomes great...thanks guys (n/t) - McFly - 6/3/2004 6:44:28 PM
- "The Press Slept While Reagan Rambled" -- FAIR - S - 6/2/2004 7:52:47 PM
- Alot of us remember - RobVG - 6/2/2004 3:47:18 PM
  - History rewrites - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2004 6:51:21 PM
- re: Republican "non-persons," continued. - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2004 5:47:04 AM
  - re: Republican "non-persons," continued. - SDG - 6/2/2004 6:07:01 AM
    - Good catch? - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2004 6:14:40 AM
- Both ways? - Bowser - 6/2/2004 4:25:09 AM
  - re: Both ways? - Art Martin - 6/2/2004 4:05:42 PM
  - re: Both ways - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2004 5:16:30 AM
    - The Soviets copied the Soyuz and Progress from the US? - Bowser - 6/2/2004 5:48:53 AM
      - re: The Soviets copied the Soyuz and Progress from the US? - SDG - 6/2/2004 6:23:54 AM
        
        re: Defeating the Nazis alone - S - 6/2/2004 6:31:22 PM
        
        No way. Without Lend Lease, the Soviets wouldn't have lasted past early 1943. - Lee - 6/2/2004 11:19:37 PM
        
        Nazis lost at Moscow before Lend Lease began - S - 6/3/2004 5:53:45 PM
        
        One other factor... - Larry J - 6/3/2004 6:21:21 PM
        
        re: and another - SDG - 6/3/2004 6:43:29 PM
        
        Absolutely - Larry J - 6/4/2004 5:38:29 PM
        
        A lesson for all politicians. - Lee - 6/4/2004 10:16:22 PM
        
        PS - SDG - 6/5/2004 5:43:41 AM
        
        "And now Europe is paying for his stupidity" - SDG - 6/5/2004 4:50:17 AM
        
        Just my opinion - Lee - 6/5/2004 6:46:00 AM
        
        You are insane. (n/t) - SDG - 6/5/2004 5:24:15 PM
        
        Seconded - Tony - 6/6/2004 12:31:31 AM
        
        Not Hitler, but Germany. - Lee - 6/6/2004 2:55:49 AM
        
        Hitler wasn't just a man........... - Publius - 6/9/2004 2:44:24 AM
        
        Nazi Germany and Hitler are inseperable - SDG - 6/7/2004 7:48:53 PM
        
        Kind of like slavery and America? - Lee - 6/8/2004 2:15:56 AM
        
        your reply - SDG - 6/9/2004 3:10:09 PM
        
        yes exactly like slavery and America? - SDG - 6/8/2004 4:23:52 PM
        
        "His true crime was taking the spirit and heart of Europe and extinguishing it, ....." - Tony - 6/8/2004 1:53:32 PM
        
        You actually understate the case when you say... - Larry J - 6/9/2004 1:47:44 PM
        
        Some corrections - Lee - 6/9/2004 10:41:31 PM
        
        Invading France? - Lee - 6/8/2004 8:18:42 PM
        
        Damn youre funny - Tony - 6/9/2004 1:26:03 AM
        
        Typical liberal symbolism over substance is probably the main reason. - Lee - 6/9/2004 3:35:46 AM
        
        Something I just noticed about that picture. - Lee - 6/10/2004 7:34:12 AM
        
        SEE ME ON FLAME BOARD (n/t) - Daniel L - 6/9/2004 4:23:04 PM
        
        I wonder whether the 'liberal' ingestion of a (probably illegal) 'substance' is at the root of your love of Nazi 'symbolism' (n/t) - Daniel L - 6/9/2004 3:42:31 PM
        
        Congratulations! You guys have actually managed to squeeze a thread so far to the side of the screen that each word has its own line! Now I can really piss people off with this bloated and unnecessar… - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2004 4:56:21 PM
        
        This post has two purposes... - McFly - 6/10/2004 4:43:14 PM
        
        Thanks McFly - Daniel L - 6/10/2004 7:17:57 PM
        
        re: Not Hitler, but Germany. - Tom Brosz - 6/6/2004 5:53:26 AM
        
        Missing Link --Barbarossa 1941 -Glantz - S - 6/3/2004 5:57:48 PM
        
        Perspective, again. (And the P-39 was a POS, but beautiful.) - Bowser - 6/3/2004 4:00:18 AM
        
        No it had Russians in it. - Lee - 6/3/2004 4:53:18 AM
        
        The scourge of the Red Hordes. - Lee - 6/3/2004 6:02:39 AM
        
        You didn't bother to read the post, did you? - Bowser - 6/3/2004 5:40:31 AM
        
        Nor did you. - Lee - 6/3/2004 6:05:34 AM
        
        An excellent summary of the land war - Larry J - 6/2/2004 7:56:46 PM
        
        Good points - S - 6/3/2004 7:01:57 PM
        
        Uh...we had the A-Bomb a year after D-Day. - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2004 1:27:40 AM
        
        It takes more than that - Larry J - 6/3/2004 3:05:57 AM
        
        And the type XXI U-boats were coming online at war's end. - Lee - 6/3/2004 5:12:44 AM
        
        re: And the type XXI U-boats were coming online at war's end. - SDG - 6/3/2004 6:27:02 PM
        
        We would have come up with counters to the new threat - alcaray - 6/3/2004 4:23:33 PM
        
        Come to think of it, Bremerton is a naval shipyard. (n/t) - RobVG - 6/3/2004 3:25:56 PM
        
        That's a little weird - RobVG - 6/3/2004 3:20:42 PM

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