Disclaimer:
This IS flame, folks... And yeah, I do respect tom... But....

"Either some of you are incredibly dense, just plain stupid, or you just like using semantics as a weapon to avoid any real issues."

I'll level the same charge against you. You trott out your little prejudices about "all left-of-centers are stalinsts" or "80% of whosits are whatsits" or some other dumb-assed horse shit, dress it up as an educated fact and then whore it out as gospell on this BBS.

I aint byin'

Not all liberalis are "stalinists"
Not all environmentalists "JUST want to dominate all economic activity on earth"

Now don't go cryin and bitching and pissing aloud when I point out your shit. If semantics is the the truth value of statements(um, which tom?- it *IS*), then hell yeah, I am arguing fu^@!ng semantics with you!!!

"It's getting ridiculous to have to spend five sentences defining a particular political movement or interest group so that supposedly you finally will know exactly who I'm talking about."

God, clone your singleton brain cell and then you MIGHT have two to rub together.

When you make a blanket, unfavorable, ad-hominem about ALL people who believe a certain way, DONT back it up with fact and then INSIST OVER AND OVER THAT YOUR BOGUS GENERALIZATION IS TRUE, then Yeah, yer gonna get some hell from me- the same effing hell you would give me if I said: "All Rigthists are Nazis" or even "10% of rightists are facists" and WHY WOULD YOU GIVE ME SHI* ABOUT THIS STATEMENT? Because it is a FALSE AND UNSUBSTANTIATED STATEMENT!

What, you just want me to sit idely by while you throw your shit about? Just so I don't huuurt yer weedle feewings?

So Tom, if I think you are lying, I'm gonna bust you. This *IS* the habitable zone, afterall, right? Standards should be employed here. Thats why, as I understand it, everyone got sick of the other board(s)... Complete lack of standards and idiots saying whatever they please with no facts to back them up.

" I go to some guy in a hardware store, and tell him the Democrats are trying to kill the tax cuts, he knows exactly who I mean."

BECAUSE ITS A TRUE AND JUSTIFIABLE STATEMENT, numbnutz! Where have I contested that statement as Ad-hoc, bogus or a patently false generalization?

"When I say the anti-war movement is run by anti-American interest groups, most of them with obvious Marxist leanings"

Which is NOT [N.O.T.] what you said, and your original statement of 80% was
1) Arguable in the very least
2) Pulled directly from you a$$

Now I'll tell YOU what I am sick of. I am sick of people stating their friggin BIAS and trotting it around like its some sort of fact. I am SICK of people thinking that their EMOTIONAL responses to issues and personal political leanings are SOMEHOW equivalent to empirical/testable/provable statements. I am really annoyed at ad-hoc universal statements about Muslims, Christians, Liberals, Americans, Belgians, French, Canadians, Tanzanians etc. I am Friggin FURIOUS at folks who INSIST that their BULLSHIT be respected and treated as fact. No way, I don't play that. Anybody with 1/2 a brain should NOT abide it/indulge in it. And if they do, they SHOULD be called on it(me included! I've done it before!).

"Give it a rest already. "

After you, Tom.

yer turn ;-)

All sh!+-fit and vents aside...

Best Wishes,
Davin