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Â´slam dunkÂ´ The two words that gave Bush the green light for war - Eric - 4/29/2005 10:57:07 AM
- PERFECT EXAMPLE Attention all you conservatives over here - Lindy - 4/30/2005 4:20:19 AM
- re: Â´slam dunkÂ´ The two words that gave Bush the green light for war - phil - 4/29/2005 1:34:14 PM
  - disrespect to the Islamic people = terrorism - Eric - 4/29/2005 2:16:07 PM
    - re: disrespect to the Islamic people = terrorism - p - 4/29/2005 2:37:48 PM
      - It's amazing... - Tom Brosz - 4/30/2005 5:44:53 PM

Showing disdain for people, ethics, the rest of the world, Bush rolls on. - Bowser - 4/27/2005 7:00:01 AM
- Bowser, how can you ignore............. - Publius - 4/27/2005 5:57:14 PM
  - I Found it. I Found the Photo!! - Lindy - 4/30/2005 5:00:20 AM
  - There really IS a photo?? - Lindy - 4/27/2005 6:45:37 PM
    - Figures...... - Lindy - 4/28/2005 6:07:53 AM
      - Well, it's old news and no one cares. - Sam F. - 4/28/2005 10:13:03 AM
        
        re: Well, it's old news and no one cares. - Lindy - 4/28/2005 4:36:09 PM

(We Told You So Dept.) "Major terror attacks triple in '04 by U.S. count" - Bowser - 4/26/2005 9:46:23 PM
- Not many attacks happening in the US are there... - Scott Evil - 4/27/2005 3:05:43 PM
  - Something working? Maybe. - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2005 5:48:37 PM
    - "Hear about the Iranian EMP weapon concern?" - David F Mayer - 4/27/2005 8:54:35 PM
      - See new post above (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 4:35:15 AM
- Is this a sign of success or failure? - Sam F. - 4/27/2005 5:47:51 AM
  - Sorta like Tom explained it to me....... - Publius - 4/27/2005 6:05:33 PM
    - Tom explains - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2005 8:03:05 PM
      - tightening the borders............. - Publius - 4/29/2005 1:26:37 PM
  - "Terrorists have launched more attacks. They are getting more desperate. We must be winning." - Bowser - 4/27/2005 5:05:48 PM
    - Time will tell. (n/t) - Sam F. - 4/28/2005 5:30:40 AM
    - Bowser I've noticed that your posting frequency is in direct correlation with the frequency of international terrorist attacks. - Scott Evil - 4/27/2005 5:38:48 PM
      - My posting is directly related to the ridiculousness of the cluckers. - Bowser - 4/27/2005 6:05:02 PM
        
        Cluckers..... you mean CLUCKERS?? - Lindy - 4/30/2005 4:39:55 AM
- Finish the article. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2005 9:52:08 PM
  - The end of the article is Republican spin - Tony - 4/27/2005 2:02:00 AM

The poor Iraqis! Certifiably corrupt, "Iraq's Ahmad Chalabi: He's now Mr. Oil" - Bowser - 4/28/2005 6:18:18 PM
- They picked him - Buck Galaxy - 4/29/2005 3:52:27 AM
  - Do you think that anything to do with Iraqi oil is left to the Iraqis? - Bowser - 4/29/2005 7:14:25 AM
- Oil is THE reason for the Bush war. He has a white knuckle grip on the Bai Hassan oil field and won't let go! n/t - Jack Herer - 4/28/2005 8:02:27 PM
  - Want to see it from a British Perspective? - Lindy - 4/30/2005 4:34:37 AM

50% of Americans Now Say Bush Deliberately Misled Them on WMDs - Eric - 4/28/2005 1:32:14 AM
- re: 50% of Americans Now Say Bush Deliberately Misled Them on WMDs - Doug Ellison - 4/28/2005 9:27:56 AM
  - Head of CIA gone (n/t) - p - 4/28/2005 8:07:33 PM
    - Tenet should have been gone two minutes after Bush's first inauguration. - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 8:57:31 PM
    - Gone with a nice shiny medal = fired? (n/t) - Tony - 4/28/2005 8:17:58 PM
      - Sandy Berger standard - p - 4/28/2005 8:34:30 PM
- The details - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 4:08:46 AM
  - "the only good news you ever see on Iraq are the Chrenkoff items I post" - Tony - 4/28/2005 2:12:28 PM
    - Sure. Show me a link from the NYT. - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 5:50:12 PM
      - I will concede that they reported on the elections. - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 5:51:07 PM
        
        I call Bullshit - Tony - 4/28/2005 6:11:33 PM
        
        Another "true believer" - Lindy - 4/30/2005 4:15:10 AM
        
        I'll give you the second one. - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 8:55:26 PM
  - Oh, so now it's not the lies, it's the "incessant battering by the press". - Bowser - 4/28/2005 5:41:57 AM
- 50% of Americans Are Dumber Than The Other Half (n/t) - Mark Eby - 4/28/2005 2:07:08 AM
  - Indeed! :-) - Davin L. - 4/28/2005 2:48:58 AM

"'Smoking gun' on humans and global warming claimed" (Those rascally liberal scientists!!) - Bowser - 4/29/2005 5:04:19 PM
- Global warming - Lindy - 4/30/2005 4:07:06 AM

Passing cloud causes panic at Washington, Bush runs for cover - Eric - 4/29/2005 7:41:57 PM
- Bin Ladin wrote in '98 that God controlled the clouds (n/t) - Alan G. Archer - 4/30/2005 1:45:37 AM
  - I found that article thoroughly interesting. - Lindy - 4/30/2005 3:36:58 AM

Iran and EMP weapons - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 4:34:48 AM
- EMP weapons are NOT what you think that they are. - David F Mayer - 4/28/2005 1:18:52 PM
  - Hmmmm... I don't think you are right here. At All. - Davin L. - 4/28/2005 1:38:58 PM
    - All nukes produce an EMP, but some more than others. - David F Mayer - 4/28/2005 2:50:04 PM
      - EMP comes from detonating a nuke out of the atmosphere - Gary - 4/28/2005 3:52:54 PM
        
        That's one way to produce EMP, but not the only one - Larry J - 4/28/2005 6:25:11 PM
        
        From what i understand, You can get a military grade EMP - Davin L. - 4/28/2005 8:33:46 PM
      - Obviously, you can design a Nuke to maximize EMP - DL - 4/28/2005 3:30:21 PM
        
        I linked to some references in my original posts. - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 11:48:31 PM
        
        yup - DL - 4/29/2005 3:20:55 AM
        
        That is precisely what I mean by an EMP weapon. - David F Mayer - 4/28/2005 4:42:42 PM
        
        This is getting silly - Davin L. - 4/28/2005 8:32:22 PM
        
        I meant when used as an EMP weapon. - David F Mayer - 4/29/2005 1:34:13 PM
        
        Can't imagine fearing EMP weapons more than regular nukes, anyway (n/t) - alcaray - 4/28/2005 9:30:13 PM
        
        Its like trying to decide if you want to be hung, drawn and quartered, or drawn, hung and quartered - Davin L. - 4/28/2005 10:05:52 PM
        
        And God help us if they invent the Comfy Chair! (n/t) - alcaray - 4/29/2005 4:34:44 PM
        
        I didn't expect that.... (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/30/2005 3:04:07 AM
- The drums of war. (Remember Iraq and WMD?) Next, unspeakable atrocities. - Bowser - 4/28/2005 5:35:35 AM
  - re: The drums of war. - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 5:47:46 PM

Insurgents strike across Iraq, killing 41 - Donald - 4/29/2005 11:31:06 PM
- Meanwhile: 1,579 - Donald - 4/29/2005 11:32:49 PM

Ivory Billed Woodpecker not extinct! - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 5:40:31 PM
- Let's go into that woods where they live and clear-cut it. - David F Mayer - 4/29/2005 10:29:40 PM
- I hear though, that them's good eatin - tony - 4/29/2005 1:14:24 AM
  - tastes sorta like a cross between......... - Publius - 4/29/2005 1:11:06 PM

The WMD in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2005 5:16:37 AM
- re: "â€œwonder in amazement what the debate abroad is about.â€" - alcaray - 4/27/2005 3:10:31 PM
  - Sure - Change The Subject - Mark Eby - 4/28/2005 2:19:11 AM
    - Sorry. I thought the subject was Talabani's letter. - alcaray - 4/28/2005 4:07:29 PM
      - No You Changed The Subject - Mark Eby - 4/29/2005 2:16:26 AM
        
        I'm only doing this because you asked. - alcaray - 4/29/2005 3:46:51 PM
- An oxymoron, as it turns out. (n/t) - Bowser - 4/27/2005 6:38:56 AM

Our most enduring conspiracy - Donald - 4/29/2005 2:48:36 PM
- re: Our most enduring conspiracy - phil - 4/29/2005 3:35:37 PM

Limbaugh in deep doodoo - Donald - 4/29/2005 12:41:31 AM
- I hope that Limberger takes a nice long vacation. - David F Mayer - 4/29/2005 2:52:18 PM
- 2,000 divided by 180 days..... - Lindy - 4/29/2005 6:27:18 AM
  - Well... - Donald - 4/29/2005 2:09:44 PM

Transcript of Bush press conference - Tom Brosz - 4/29/2005 2:55:01 AM
- Soc Security - phil - 4/29/2005 2:14:11 PM

U.S. soldier sentenced to death by court martial (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/29/2005 3:11:55 AM

So many lies, so much spin... - alcaray - 4/27/2005 5:27:08 PM
- You want to pick judges, win some elections. - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2005 5:42:16 PM
  - Let's keep the marrow of my bones out of this (ick) - alcaray - 4/27/2005 6:28:01 PM
  - So if one's party doesn't win an election, one loses all rights? - Bowser - 4/27/2005 5:59:38 PM
    - Yes, and since the last election, all Democrats have been rounded up - David F Mayer - 4/28/2005 3:27:26 PM
    - Not at all. But only the PRESIDENT nominates Federal judges. - David F Mayer - 4/27/2005 8:45:04 PM
      - "nominated" being the critical word here (n/t) - alcaray - 4/27/2005 9:08:34 PM
        
        Confirmation is done by the Senate. (n/t) - DFM - 4/28/2005 2:51:23 PM
    - You know, the "looming theocracy" crap got old about two years into Reagan's first term. - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2005 6:34:38 PM
      - And look where we are. By the way, the plaintive "got old" is abused. - Bowser - 4/28/2005 6:49:07 AM
        
        the plaintive "got old" is abused. - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 11:51:07 PM
      - Speaking of religion - alcaray - 4/27/2005 9:54:48 PM
      - Yup, that theocracy nonsense IS getting old - R.L. - 4/27/2005 7:33:27 PM
        
        re: getting old - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2005 8:40:43 PM
        
        The difference now is that we have an administration endorsing it all (n/t) - R.L. - 4/28/2005 3:03:35 AM
      - So, why does the crap theocracy still insist on looming? - Fox - 4/27/2005 7:05:45 PM
        
        re: crap theocracy - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2005 8:06:55 PM
        
        re: theocracy crap - Fox - 4/28/2005 12:57:01 AM
        
        Re: playing to the base - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 4:13:44 AM
        
        That's what I was trying to convince you of... - alcaray - 4/28/2005 3:57:27 PM
        
        re: theocracy - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 4:12:08 AM
        
        re: theocracy - Fox - 4/28/2005 8:41:42 PM
        
        re: "Until the numbers of such extremists gets out of the single digits, I wouldn't worry about it." - alcaray - 4/27/2005 8:33:56 PM
        
        Sure. - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2005 8:45:16 PM

Budget "Agreement envisions tax cuts, Medicaid savings, Arctic drilling" - Bowser - 4/28/2005 6:43:02 PM
- Increased borrowing, bigger government... (n/t) - alcaray - 4/28/2005 10:20:18 PM
- A good start - p - 4/28/2005 7:37:00 PM

The venerable Senator Leahey on the senate's role in judicial approval - p - 4/28/2005 2:51:58 PM
- Any current statements from Leahey to compare? - Tony - 4/28/2005 5:21:03 PM
  - re: Any current statements from Leahey to compare? - p - 4/28/2005 7:39:10 PM
  - Can we stop pretending that there is any principle other than political expediency behind this? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 5:45:11 PM
    - Only if we stop pretending the Republicans were any better (n/t) - Tony - 4/28/2005 5:53:23 PM
      - Ever hear me say they were? - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2005 8:43:26 PM
        
        If you were paying attention - Tony - 4/28/2005 8:48:44 PM
      - and only if they stop lying about past obstructions..... (n/t) - Tony - 4/28/2005 6:12:14 PM
        
        Frist stops lying - Tony - 4/28/2005 8:17:02 PM
        
        re: Frist stops lying - redux - Tony - 4/28/2005 8:21:30 PM

More fake news - phil - 4/24/2005 3:27:38 PM
- No Pinto shenanigans, but they did "help" along the GMC pickups though. (n/t) - Lee - 4/25/2005 1:48:05 AM
- pinto? beans! - DL - 4/25/2005 1:05:31 AM
  - Bombs? No bombs, but they did use incendary devices to cause ignition. - Larry J - 4/25/2005 2:40:20 AM
    - So I should file the claim about the pinto under 'Fake but accurate?' - DL - 4/25/2005 4:00:20 PM
      - re: So I should file the claim about the pinto under 'Fake but accurate?' - p - 4/25/2005 7:55:11 PM
        
        I see... - Davin L. - 4/26/2005 2:40:10 PM
        
        Still waiting. (n/t) - . - 4/28/2005 8:37:23 PM
        
        Still Waiting..... (n/t) - . - 4/27/2005 6:45:28 PM
        
        correction - Davin L. - 4/26/2005 2:41:49 PM
  - re: pinto? beans! - gbaikie - 4/25/2005 2:10:01 AM
- No clucking over the Bushies planting phony news? My, what moral relativity!! - Bowser - 4/24/2005 10:44:58 PM
- Correcting the misinformation that Phil (crusader for truth) posted - R.L. - 4/24/2005 5:57:10 PM
  - re: Correcting the misinformation that Phil (crusader for truth) posted - p - 4/24/2005 6:05:22 PM
    - NO 'MSM' organization 'blew up' a pinto... - R.L. - 4/24/2005 6:16:49 PM
    - You stand corrected on the other points you made up too (n/t) - R.L. - 4/24/2005 6:08:17 PM
      - re: You stand corrected on the other points you made up too - p - 4/24/2005 6:27:26 PM
        
        re: You stand corrected on the other points you made up too - DL - 4/25/2005 1:07:46 AM
        
        no, phil... - R.L. - 4/24/2005 6:52:25 PM
        
        re: no, phil... - p - 4/24/2005 8:19:12 PM
        
        LOL now whos 'reaching'? - R.L. - 4/24/2005 9:24:09 PM
        
        re: LOL now whos 'reaching'? - gbaikie - 4/24/2005 11:43:35 PM
        
        Thinking must be painful for you.... - R.L. - 4/25/2005 4:25:06 AM
        
        I've found the quickest way to sort out an argument like this... - Tom Brosz - 4/24/2005 7:53:33 PM
        
        Good idea! - Tony - 4/25/2005 1:50:33 PM

Remembering Jim What's-His-Name... - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2005 6:43:12 AM
- Autocrats fear and ridicule conscience. (n/t) - Bowser - 4/26/2005 9:32:06 PM
- Petty. (n/t) - Davin L. - 4/26/2005 3:51:36 PM
  - But true. - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2005 4:06:17 PM
    - Obviously, he did not do it for fame. - alcaray - 4/26/2005 8:22:01 PM
      - Dont think you're right about the "re-election as an independent" - Tony - 4/26/2005 8:32:30 PM
        
        Thought that's what I heard on the radio, this morning. - alcaray - 4/26/2005 8:39:33 PM
        
        I wanted to show certain others how to point out a mistake without invoking the nuclear option...;-) (n/t) - Tony - 4/26/2005 8:44:06 PM
        
        You mean you don't think I'm... - alcaray - 4/26/2005 8:46:09 PM
        
        Nope - Tony - 4/26/2005 8:53:46 PM
        
        Toms gonna sue you. - Davin L. - 4/26/2005 9:00:47 PM
        
        Can't sue me for stealing a future thing - Tony - 4/27/2005 2:15:47 AM
        
        The republicans rely on that legal point - R.L. - 4/27/2005 9:39:15 PM
    - No, the man is old and obviously ill with some sort of neurological disorder. - DL - 4/26/2005 5:31:09 PM
      - Where did you pull that out of? - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2005 7:13:43 PM
        
        re: Where did you pull that out of? - DL - 4/26/2005 8:58:24 PM
        
        re: Where did you pull that out of? - Tony - 4/26/2005 8:37:02 PM

Abu Ghraib was only the tip of the iceberg - Jack Herer - 4/27/2005 1:10:25 PM
- "Army Clears Officers in Abu Ghraib Case" & U.S. generals told of detainee abuse early - Bowser - 4/27/2005 5:56:24 PM
  - GITMO detainees still jailed - Jack Herer - 4/27/2005 7:19:07 PM
    - What would you suggest? Letting them go? - David F Mayer - 4/27/2005 8:52:57 PM

Thank god we have the moral highground - R.L. - 4/22/2005 6:35:02 AM
- Mindless foot soldier - p - 4/22/2005 1:48:14 PM
  - No, a 'Mindless foot soldier' would be someone that... - R.L. - 4/22/2005 5:01:37 PM
    - Ah, let's put the words we want to refute in someone's mouth - p - 4/22/2005 6:30:44 PM
      - You mean like insinuating that environmentalists are communists? (n/t) - R.L. - 4/22/2005 10:52:57 PM
        
        You're reaching - p - 4/23/2005 12:45:05 AM
        
        BTW phil .. - Daniel - 4/23/2005 6:58:30 AM
        
        No, you are - R.L. - 4/23/2005 4:55:55 AM
        
        re: No, you are - p - 4/23/2005 1:56:07 PM
        
        You have refuted nothing- - R.L. - 4/23/2005 6:37:36 PM
        
        pure denial - p - 4/23/2005 7:06:09 PM
  - Errr, what were you saying about ignoring bad news? - alcaray - 4/22/2005 3:19:41 PM
  - re: Mindless foot soldier - DL - 4/22/2005 2:03:03 PM
    - re: Mindless foot soldier - p - 4/22/2005 6:05:03 PM
      - re: Footless mind soldier - Mary Anne - 4/22/2005 7:44:14 PM
      - re: Mindless foot soldier - DL - 4/22/2005 7:09:58 PM
        
        have you noticed .. - Daniel - 4/25/2005 5:24:44 AM
        
        Nah..... - Tony - 4/25/2005 2:48:03 PM
        
        re: Nah..... - D. - 4/26/2005 4:26:34 AM
        
        Time - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2005 4:01:56 PM
        
        that's not a forum though is it? - Daniel - 4/27/2005 2:53:01 PM
        
        Book - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2005 5:58:25 PM
        
        re: that's not a forum though is it? - Tony - 4/27/2005 3:41:21 PM
        
        Awww, I love you all equally. - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2005 5:56:29 PM
- Ah, what's the use. - Tom Brosz - 4/22/2005 7:31:43 AM
  - What, it's OK for us to kidnap because we didn't kill him?? - Mary Anne - 4/22/2005 7:48:07 PM
  - Odd that you see a strong connection between the stories. (n/t) - alcaray - 4/22/2005 3:21:16 PM
  - Ah, so you were going to post... - R.L. - 4/22/2005 7:38:10 AM
    - Maybe Tom is learning- Lets support him.... - R.L. - 4/27/2005 7:36:32 AM
      - Okay. - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2005 6:25:59 PM

Spot the deliberate mistake - Tony - 4/26/2005 8:25:09 PM
- re: Spot the deliberate mistake - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2005 9:03:51 PM
  - And another article... - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2005 9:50:25 PM
    - Are you joking, being serious or seriously dense? (n/t) - Tony - 4/27/2005 2:14:47 AM
    - Cask Strength 160 proof semantic quibbling from Tom - Davin L. - 4/26/2005 11:28:32 PM
      - re: Cask Strength 160 proof semantic quibbling from Tom - gbaikie - 4/27/2005 5:25:35 AM
        
        I can't understand how you think anything you wrote is relevant - DL - 4/27/2005 2:24:56 PM
- Remember pre-Ari press secretaries? The good old days! (n/t) - alcaray - 4/26/2005 8:33:58 PM

Pace of Insurgent Attacks in Iraq Rises - Donald - 4/27/2005 4:40:27 AM

Report Finds No Evidence Syria Hid Iraqi Arms - Donald - 4/26/2005 12:37:25 PM
- Thats because the Yeti ate them... Silly Yeti... (n/t) - Davin L. - 4/26/2005 1:54:27 PM
  - Read the addendum. - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2005 4:12:20 PM
    - Was it the bit about how........ - Tony - 4/26/2005 6:17:58 PM
      - Yeah, that's what one scientist said. - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2005 7:04:08 PM
        
        Thought I read fairly recently - Tony - 4/26/2005 8:18:32 PM
        
        re: Thought I read fairly recently - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2005 9:06:45 PM
    - Hint - Davin L. - 4/26/2005 5:32:40 PM
      - Its a way to avoid reality - DOnald - 4/26/2005 7:21:06 PM
        
        Speaking of avoiding reality... - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2005 7:48:40 PM

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