re: Yer missing my points here Tom
"Innocent Iraqis died in the war. The other 22 million or so are free. This calculation is made in every war for a just cause, and grownups have to make these calculations"
"Bullshit, Tom. Unless fighting for survival, nobody has the moral right to kill people based upon THEIR surmise of whats best for a group. Its a sort of screw-ball collectivism."
By "fighting for survival" I assume you mean fighting for your personal survival. Therefore according to your logic whenever a SWAT team kills a criminal it would never be a morally acceptable.
And, of course, all warfare is immoral.