Gu-gu-gu. Lag-lag-lag. Is all I want to say to you.

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Gu-gu-gu. Lag-lag-lag. Is all I want to say to you.

Sam F. — 5/29/2005 2:35:33 AM (archived)

Are you suggesting that "gulag" is OK because "the Holocaust of our times" has also been done? This seems to be a variation of "But mommy, they did it, too!" that you and others condemn.

"Guantanamo is not a gulag." And repeat.

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Amnesty International called U.S. prisons "Gulag of our times." - Tom Brosz - 5/28/2005 3:45:04 AM
- Amnesty says, "OK, so it's not a gulag." - David F Mayer - 6/6/2005 1:02:39 PM
- A lot more via Glenn Reynolds. - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 2:49:36 AM
  - Nobody likes the word, ergo... - Mary Anne - 6/3/2005 8:15:04 PM
    - Words have meanings. - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 11:20:42 PM
      - So do actions. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 6/3/2005 11:34:39 PM
        
        re: Actions. - Tom Brosz - 6/4/2005 12:26:42 AM
        
        P.S. FWIW, I don't agree with the use of the term gulag - Tony - 6/4/2005 2:10:07 AM
        
        re: P.S. FWIW, I don't agree with the use of the term gulag - gbaikie - 6/7/2005 12:01:13 AM
        
        Thanks. It took me 3 days... - Mary Anne - 6/4/2005 2:18:54 AM
        
        that's a reverse of normal ;-) - tony - 6/5/2005 6:04:55 AM
        
        Stop dealing in absolutes and you may understand. (n/t) - Tony - 6/4/2005 2:04:58 AM
        
        Pretty much done. Yeah. - Mary Anne - 6/4/2005 1:08:57 AM
- From the Wall Street Journal - Tom Brosz - 5/29/2005 11:26:50 PM
- Not "US prisons", but "Guantanamo", was the subject. - Mary Anne - 5/28/2005 6:20:54 PM
  - Sorry, they are combattants. - David F Mayer - 5/29/2005 5:30:29 AM
    - Not all of them. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 12:15:46 PM
      - There is no way to tell one from another. - David F Mayer - 5/29/2005 5:02:33 PM
        
        Ah, justice and mercy... - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 5:30:53 PM
        
        Justice and mercy do NOT exist in warfare. Sorry, wrong game. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/30/2005 2:19:19 PM
        
        Without justice and mercy, there is no honor. - Mary Anne - 5/31/2005 1:17:35 PM
        
        You just do not get it. - David F Mayer - 5/31/2005 1:24:36 PM
        
        I'm looking at a bigger picture than you are. - Mary Anne - 5/31/2005 1:33:17 PM
        
        War is Hell. It will remain that way. People will be held - David F Mayer - 6/1/2005 5:29:13 PM
        
        That's no answer. - Tom Brosz - 5/29/2005 9:31:21 PM
        
        No kidding. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 10:05:17 PM
        
        It is WAR. - David F Mayer - 5/30/2005 2:21:24 PM
        
        Is WAR a synonym for VIDEO GAME for you? - Tony - 5/31/2005 1:53:03 PM
        
        Prisoners Must be Held Until Conclusion: The annhilation of Al Qaeda - David F Mayer - 6/1/2005 6:21:46 PM
        
        The Nazi Party still exists. Why aren't we still holding German POWs? (n/t) - Mary Anne - 6/1/2005 10:15:25 PM
        
        Complete disconnect. - Tom Brosz - 6/1/2005 11:42:25 PM
        
        Exactly: We aren't fighting the same kind of war. - Mary Anne - 6/2/2005 12:48:22 AM
        
        re: same kind of war. - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2005 3:48:23 AM
        
        Again: We haven't done as many bad things as they have = we're good. - Mary Anne - 6/2/2005 1:30:05 PM
        
        Moral relativism - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2005 5:28:16 PM
        
        In a perfect world... - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/4/2005 12:46:22 AM
        
        and that is over when exactly? - Tony - 6/1/2005 6:55:50 PM
        
        "Game Over -- Play Again?" (n/t) - Fox - 6/1/2005 1:32:07 AM
        
        Iraqi Invasion - the game - Tony - 6/1/2005 2:20:28 PM
        
        Camps - Tom Brosz - 5/29/2005 10:19:33 PM
  - You're quite right there - Sam F. - 5/28/2005 10:34:04 PM
    - "The Holocaust of our times" has been done, just as you describe it. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 1:37:43 AM
      - Gu-gu-gu. Lag-lag-lag. Is all I want to say to you. - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 2:35:33 AM
        
        And incidentally, no, I wasn't suggesting or implying anything of the sort. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 2:55:29 AM
        
        Yes, it is old news. That's why I chose it. - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 4:27:11 AM
        
        Apolitical means that politics doesn't enter into criticism. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 12:26:08 PM
        
        OK: "organisation" and "programme": where are you from? (n/t) - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 12:17:42 PM
        
        A former British colony, like you. - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 5:29:06 PM
        
        It makes a difference. POV. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 5:33:08 PM
        
        See my reply to Tom, below. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 2:39:41 AM
        
        Oh, Mary Anne! You go, girl! YOU GO! - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 3:00:18 AM
        
        Excuse me. "Gu Gu Gu Lag Lag Lag" doesn't exactly put you in a position to criticize me for condescension. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 3:03:55 AM
        
        Actually, I was probably trying to be too clever. - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 3:27:38 AM
        
        OK. Peace. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 3:31:16 AM
        
        Back at you. :-) - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 3:48:12 AM
      - Language as a tool - Tom Brosz - 5/29/2005 2:08:16 AM
        
        you can define leftist any way you want - alcaray - 5/31/2005 9:22:23 PM
        
        "Soft bigotry of low expectations" comes immediately to mind (n/t) - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 2:51:28 AM
        
        This year's report: - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 2:35:28 AM
        
        Interesting - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 4:15:59 AM
        
        How can you tell what it's like if no one is allowed in to see it? - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 12:11:30 PM
        
        Guantanamo is not a gulag, Mary Anne, it's that simple - Sam F. - 6/1/2005 6:36:45 AM
        
        OK, it's a gulagette. They all start somewhere. - Mary Anne - 6/1/2005 10:27:10 PM
        
        Just for the record... - Tom Brosz - 6/1/2005 11:57:26 PM
        
        I remember Michelle Malkin. - Mary Anne - 6/2/2005 12:56:04 AM
        
        So, what would make you happy? - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2005 3:55:22 AM
        
        Voluntary proactive humane treatment... - Mary Anne - 6/2/2005 1:24:07 PM
        
        re: humane treatment - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2005 6:09:32 PM
        
        Oh, forget it. - Mary Anne - 6/3/2005 1:00:45 AM
        
        Poor lost souls - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 7:22:21 AM
        
        How we treat our enemies - Mary Anne - 6/3/2005 1:56:39 PM
        
        re: How we treat our enemies - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 10:11:31 PM
        
        I can tell you know I'm right by the way you exaggerate. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 6/4/2005 1:10:38 AM
- Jose Padilla : U.S. Citizen Imprisoned Without Trial or Charges for 3 Years and 19 Days - Eric - 5/28/2005 5:30:26 AM
  - Poor, misunderstood, Jose Padilla - David F Mayer - 5/29/2005 5:39:28 AM
    - The next time you cite Wikipedia, remember it's an experiment, not an authoritative source. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 3:26:11 PM
      - "executing 14-year-olds is sick, and is not the hallmark of a civilized nation. " - David F Mayer - 5/29/2005 5:03:54 PM
        
        Fortunetelling - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 5:29:48 PM
        
        I don't give a damn whether his is "beyond redemption" or not. - David F Mayer - 5/30/2005 2:24:28 PM
- Advocating the systematic torture of random folks is offensive to all except - - - - Bowser - 5/28/2005 4:31:39 AM
  - Remember. - Bowser - 5/28/2005 4:35:54 AM
    - Media and prisoners - Tom Brosz - 5/28/2005 5:37:05 AM
      - The key to your comparison: 1973 - Mary Anne - 5/28/2005 1:43:32 PM
        
        Nice try. - Tom Brosz - 5/28/2005 9:44:14 PM
        
        Amnesty International has been pursuing the same goals since 1961. - Mary Anne - 5/28/2005 10:10:15 PM
      - Whoops. That was supposed to be under Gary's post. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/28/2005 5:38:21 AM
- Pathetic - Gary - 5/28/2005 4:29:51 AM
  - Why don't you look at the conditions in US prisons, and who is being held there? - Mary Anne - 5/28/2005 1:28:38 PM

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