The key to your comparison: 1973

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The key to your comparison: 1973

Mary Anne — 5/28/2005 1:43:32 PM (archived)

How long ago was that? Could it be that the people who were young in 1973 might have learned something from the neglect of prisoners then?

Here's another date for you: 1974. That is the year that The Gulag Archipelago was published. This book made a major impact on our understanding of what political involvement and secrecy does to prisons in a nation. Is it too much to hope that we can take the lesson?

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Amnesty International called U.S. prisons "Gulag of our times." - Tom Brosz - 5/28/2005 3:45:04 AM
- Amnesty says, "OK, so it's not a gulag." - David F Mayer - 6/6/2005 1:02:39 PM
- A lot more via Glenn Reynolds. - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 2:49:36 AM
  - Nobody likes the word, ergo... - Mary Anne - 6/3/2005 8:15:04 PM
    - Words have meanings. - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 11:20:42 PM
      - So do actions. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 6/3/2005 11:34:39 PM
        
        re: Actions. - Tom Brosz - 6/4/2005 12:26:42 AM
        
        P.S. FWIW, I don't agree with the use of the term gulag - Tony - 6/4/2005 2:10:07 AM
        
        re: P.S. FWIW, I don't agree with the use of the term gulag - gbaikie - 6/7/2005 12:01:13 AM
        
        Thanks. It took me 3 days... - Mary Anne - 6/4/2005 2:18:54 AM
        
        that's a reverse of normal ;-) - tony - 6/5/2005 6:04:55 AM
        
        Stop dealing in absolutes and you may understand. (n/t) - Tony - 6/4/2005 2:04:58 AM
        
        Pretty much done. Yeah. - Mary Anne - 6/4/2005 1:08:57 AM
- From the Wall Street Journal - Tom Brosz - 5/29/2005 11:26:50 PM
- Not "US prisons", but "Guantanamo", was the subject. - Mary Anne - 5/28/2005 6:20:54 PM
  - Sorry, they are combattants. - David F Mayer - 5/29/2005 5:30:29 AM
    - Not all of them. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 12:15:46 PM
      - There is no way to tell one from another. - David F Mayer - 5/29/2005 5:02:33 PM
        
        Ah, justice and mercy... - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 5:30:53 PM
        
        Justice and mercy do NOT exist in warfare. Sorry, wrong game. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/30/2005 2:19:19 PM
        
        Without justice and mercy, there is no honor. - Mary Anne - 5/31/2005 1:17:35 PM
        
        You just do not get it. - David F Mayer - 5/31/2005 1:24:36 PM
        
        I'm looking at a bigger picture than you are. - Mary Anne - 5/31/2005 1:33:17 PM
        
        War is Hell. It will remain that way. People will be held - David F Mayer - 6/1/2005 5:29:13 PM
        
        That's no answer. - Tom Brosz - 5/29/2005 9:31:21 PM
        
        No kidding. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 10:05:17 PM
        
        It is WAR. - David F Mayer - 5/30/2005 2:21:24 PM
        
        Is WAR a synonym for VIDEO GAME for you? - Tony - 5/31/2005 1:53:03 PM
        
        Prisoners Must be Held Until Conclusion: The annhilation of Al Qaeda - David F Mayer - 6/1/2005 6:21:46 PM
        
        The Nazi Party still exists. Why aren't we still holding German POWs? (n/t) - Mary Anne - 6/1/2005 10:15:25 PM
        
        Complete disconnect. - Tom Brosz - 6/1/2005 11:42:25 PM
        
        Exactly: We aren't fighting the same kind of war. - Mary Anne - 6/2/2005 12:48:22 AM
        
        re: same kind of war. - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2005 3:48:23 AM
        
        Again: We haven't done as many bad things as they have = we're good. - Mary Anne - 6/2/2005 1:30:05 PM
        
        Moral relativism - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2005 5:28:16 PM
        
        In a perfect world... - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/4/2005 12:46:22 AM
        
        and that is over when exactly? - Tony - 6/1/2005 6:55:50 PM
        
        "Game Over -- Play Again?" (n/t) - Fox - 6/1/2005 1:32:07 AM
        
        Iraqi Invasion - the game - Tony - 6/1/2005 2:20:28 PM
        
        Camps - Tom Brosz - 5/29/2005 10:19:33 PM
  - You're quite right there - Sam F. - 5/28/2005 10:34:04 PM
    - "The Holocaust of our times" has been done, just as you describe it. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 1:37:43 AM
      - Gu-gu-gu. Lag-lag-lag. Is all I want to say to you. - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 2:35:33 AM
        
        And incidentally, no, I wasn't suggesting or implying anything of the sort. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 2:55:29 AM
        
        Yes, it is old news. That's why I chose it. - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 4:27:11 AM
        
        Apolitical means that politics doesn't enter into criticism. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 12:26:08 PM
        
        OK: "organisation" and "programme": where are you from? (n/t) - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 12:17:42 PM
        
        A former British colony, like you. - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 5:29:06 PM
        
        It makes a difference. POV. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 5:33:08 PM
        
        See my reply to Tom, below. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 2:39:41 AM
        
        Oh, Mary Anne! You go, girl! YOU GO! - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 3:00:18 AM
        
        Excuse me. "Gu Gu Gu Lag Lag Lag" doesn't exactly put you in a position to criticize me for condescension. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 3:03:55 AM
        
        Actually, I was probably trying to be too clever. - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 3:27:38 AM
        
        OK. Peace. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 3:31:16 AM
        
        Back at you. :-) - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 3:48:12 AM
      - Language as a tool - Tom Brosz - 5/29/2005 2:08:16 AM
        
        you can define leftist any way you want - alcaray - 5/31/2005 9:22:23 PM
        
        "Soft bigotry of low expectations" comes immediately to mind (n/t) - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 2:51:28 AM
        
        This year's report: - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 2:35:28 AM
        
        Interesting - Sam F. - 5/29/2005 4:15:59 AM
        
        How can you tell what it's like if no one is allowed in to see it? - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 12:11:30 PM
        
        Guantanamo is not a gulag, Mary Anne, it's that simple - Sam F. - 6/1/2005 6:36:45 AM
        
        OK, it's a gulagette. They all start somewhere. - Mary Anne - 6/1/2005 10:27:10 PM
        
        Just for the record... - Tom Brosz - 6/1/2005 11:57:26 PM
        
        I remember Michelle Malkin. - Mary Anne - 6/2/2005 12:56:04 AM
        
        So, what would make you happy? - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2005 3:55:22 AM
        
        Voluntary proactive humane treatment... - Mary Anne - 6/2/2005 1:24:07 PM
        
        re: humane treatment - Tom Brosz - 6/2/2005 6:09:32 PM
        
        Oh, forget it. - Mary Anne - 6/3/2005 1:00:45 AM
        
        Poor lost souls - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 7:22:21 AM
        
        How we treat our enemies - Mary Anne - 6/3/2005 1:56:39 PM
        
        re: How we treat our enemies - Tom Brosz - 6/3/2005 10:11:31 PM
        
        I can tell you know I'm right by the way you exaggerate. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 6/4/2005 1:10:38 AM
- Jose Padilla : U.S. Citizen Imprisoned Without Trial or Charges for 3 Years and 19 Days - Eric - 5/28/2005 5:30:26 AM
  - Poor, misunderstood, Jose Padilla - David F Mayer - 5/29/2005 5:39:28 AM
    - The next time you cite Wikipedia, remember it's an experiment, not an authoritative source. - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 3:26:11 PM
      - "executing 14-year-olds is sick, and is not the hallmark of a civilized nation. " - David F Mayer - 5/29/2005 5:03:54 PM
        
        Fortunetelling - Mary Anne - 5/29/2005 5:29:48 PM
        
        I don't give a damn whether his is "beyond redemption" or not. - David F Mayer - 5/30/2005 2:24:28 PM
- Advocating the systematic torture of random folks is offensive to all except - - - - Bowser - 5/28/2005 4:31:39 AM
  - Remember. - Bowser - 5/28/2005 4:35:54 AM
    - Media and prisoners - Tom Brosz - 5/28/2005 5:37:05 AM
      - The key to your comparison: 1973 - Mary Anne - 5/28/2005 1:43:32 PM
        
        Nice try. - Tom Brosz - 5/28/2005 9:44:14 PM
        
        Amnesty International has been pursuing the same goals since 1961. - Mary Anne - 5/28/2005 10:10:15 PM
      - Whoops. That was supposed to be under Gary's post. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/28/2005 5:38:21 AM
- Pathetic - Gary - 5/28/2005 4:29:51 AM
  - Why don't you look at the conditions in US prisons, and who is being held there? - Mary Anne - 5/28/2005 1:28:38 PM

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