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Daniel — 3/2/2004 1:39:48 PM (archived)

>I think we all know why the media and others are leaning on Gibson and this movie, which so far has clocked in about $125 million since last Wednesday, and it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism or graphic violence. We learned a little something about the "cultural elite" in this country when the flags came out after 9/11, and we're learning a little more now.

Sorry if this sounds naive, but not being from your country Tom, I find your post actually rather obtuse. Would you mind explaining -
.. what do you think of the film; are you influenced in its favor because it has 'clocked in' a huge takings; and, what *is* the nature of the 'cultural elite' in your country, in your view? How did they disgrace themselves after 9/11? I don't mind being seen as ignorant - I'm just curious .. and foreign.

.. I don't have any view on 'cultural elites', although I do detest Gibson, his holocaust-denying father especially, and nasty vicious movie-making in general.
(- and no, I haven't seen it.)

..thanks - Daniel

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Anyone seen the new Mel Gibson flick - FrankC - 2/29/2004 6:04:31 AM
- As soon as it comes out here I will. . . - Justin Kelly - 3/9/2004 4:43:53 AM
  - I agree with you about violence in films - Mary Anne - 3/10/2004 5:52:06 AM
    - Baseline American anti-Semitism - Fox - 3/11/2004 5:27:48 AM
      - (read this one instead, please) Baseline American anti-Semitism - Fox (with no HTML preview) - 3/11/2004 5:38:41 AM
    - Non-Gospel material - Tom Brosz - 3/11/2004 12:30:11 AM
      - Memories of a Catholic childhood - Mary Anne - 3/11/2004 2:47:26 PM
        
        PS - Mary Anne - 3/11/2004 3:19:31 PM
        
        re: PS - SDG - 3/11/2004 8:18:50 PM
        
        I wouldn't call it doctrine. It's certainly nowhere near official. - Mary Anne - 3/12/2004 11:12:18 PM
        
        re: PS - Tom Brosz - 3/12/2004 1:55:24 AM
        
        re: "talking the basics" - Fox - 3/13/2004 5:31:16 AM
        
        good post Fox, but - - daniel - 3/13/2004 12:29:24 PM
        
        thanks, Daniel - Fox - 3/13/2004 6:18:08 PM
        
        re: thanks, Daniel - Daniel - 3/14/2004 2:50:30 AM
        
        re: "talking the basics" - Tom Brosz - 3/13/2004 7:57:07 AM
        
        re: PS - SDG - 3/12/2004 7:24:03 PM
  - excellent post Justin (n/t) - SDG - 3/9/2004 8:43:02 PM
    - re: Very good, Justin. (n/t) - Marcia - 3/10/2004 3:37:16 AM
- interesting, balanced article - recommended - Daniel - 3/8/2004 2:17:26 PM
  - Thank you, Daniel. - Mary Anne - 3/9/2004 1:28:29 PM
    - well, thanks .. - Daniel - 3/9/2004 9:11:50 PM
  - Completely bigoted article, not recomended at all - Justin Kelly - 3/9/2004 5:16:27 AM
    - -sigh- I must have read it too quickly, actually not that bad of an articfle (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 3/9/2004 7:01:39 AM
      - thanks Justin. I thought it was balanced, as it really just 'describes the scenery' (n/t) - Daniel - 3/9/2004 10:48:54 AM
- $200 million plus, and counting... (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/8/2004 7:27:02 AM
  - "If money is all that you love, that is what you will receive." -- Princess Leia - Mary Anne - 3/8/2004 1:27:54 PM
    - I'm not counting money. I'm counting people. - Tom Brosz - 3/8/2004 6:46:55 PM
      - [puzzled] Did you post an article attached to the money reference? - Mary Anne - 3/9/2004 12:05:10 AM
      - selective vision---seeing what you want to see...per ususal - Publius - 3/8/2004 11:32:19 PM
- Reality check: what DOES qualify as "art" to the cultural elite - Tom Brosz - 3/8/2004 2:24:42 AM
  - re: Reality check: what DOES qualify as "art" to the cultural elite - Publius - 3/8/2004 11:58:53 PM
    - re: Reality check - Tom Brosz - 3/9/2004 8:02:41 AM
      - cash the Reality check....before it bounces. - Publius - 3/9/2004 6:12:41 PM
        
        some explanation - Daniel - 3/9/2004 9:50:06 PM
        
        re: some explanation - Publius - 3/10/2004 1:25:56 AM
      - Good post Tom! Funny! (n/t) - Lindy - 3/9/2004 5:48:05 PM
      - Only genius survives. - Mary Anne - 3/9/2004 2:01:46 PM
        
        re: Only genius survives. - gbaikie - 3/12/2004 10:10:58 AM
        
        Not only the morons are shocked. - Mary Anne - 3/13/2004 3:34:43 PM
        
        re: Only genius survives. - Tom Brosz - 3/10/2004 3:47:12 AM
        
        No one can remember art that isn't preserved. - Mary Anne - 3/10/2004 4:03:31 AM
        
        re: No one can remember art that isn't preserved. - Tom Brosz - 3/10/2004 8:39:33 AM
        
        would love to weigh in here - but must off to work. Maybe tonight .. (n/t) - daniel - 3/9/2004 9:52:41 PM
  - yeah .. - Daniel - 3/8/2004 2:25:18 PM
  - Oh, and don't forget this! - Mary Anne - 3/8/2004 3:24:11 AM
- Graphic violence - Tom Brosz - 3/1/2004 8:58:22 PM
  - The Passion - ebnelson - 3/7/2004 2:04:18 AM
    - Charles Krauthammer begs to differ with you. - Mary Anne - 3/7/2004 9:35:12 PM
      - They are both welcome to their opinions - ebnelson - 3/8/2004 12:33:45 AM
        
        Actually, I seldom remark on Charles Krauthammer's writing - Mary Anne - 3/8/2004 3:08:45 AM
        
        You have always had good taste - ebnelson - 3/8/2004 4:49:49 AM
        
        .. maybe - Daniel - 3/8/2004 9:51:18 AM
        
        You are very fortunate - ebnelson - 3/8/2004 1:40:22 PM
  - please clarify - Daniel - 3/2/2004 1:39:48 PM
    - re: please clarify - Tom Brosz - 3/2/2004 5:23:02 PM
      - partially but not completely clarified - Daniel - 3/3/2004 3:09:31 AM
      - Translation for Daniel: Tom decides (n/t) - alcaray - 3/2/2004 6:00:52 PM
        
        - yes .. and I wonder if he's also decided that I'm part of the 'asshat avalanche' and hence not worth engaging with? (n/t) - Daniel - 3/6/2004 3:42:50 PM
        
        re: part of the 'asshat avalanche' - Tom Brosz - 3/6/2004 10:49:11 PM
        
        your 'epithet' is obviously meant for 9/11 conspiracy-believers. But I was just wondering why you hadn't replied to my last Gibson post. No harm done :) (n/t) - Daniel - 3/7/2004 2:35:00 AM
        
        One more comment - Tom Brosz - 3/7/2004 11:42:41 PM
        
        re: One more comment - Daniel - 3/8/2004 10:16:19 AM
        
        What the blazes are you on about Tom? This is a discussion about Mel Gibson, not 9/11 - Daniel - 3/7/2004 2:02:23 AM
        
        Where did you first see the "avalanche" term? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/7/2004 11:15:34 PM
        
        from the 'Stopping Hitler' thread on Offtopic .. - Daniel - 3/8/2004 9:57:46 AM
- re: Anyone seen the new Mel Gibson flick - SDG - 3/1/2004 4:44:28 PM
- Richard Corliss of Time Magazine - Tom Brosz - 3/1/2004 6:33:11 AM
  - Bill Safire - Mary Anne - 3/3/2004 12:37:23 PM
- We need less Passion and more Life of Brian (n/t) - always look on the bright side of life - 2/29/2004 11:50:23 PM
- Another opinion, from someone who's seen it twice - Fox - 2/29/2004 8:29:44 PM
- I think it has a surprise ending - ebnelson - 2/29/2004 6:23:30 PM
- No, though I know some people who have. - Mary Anne - 2/29/2004 3:57:26 PM
  - difficult to watch - FrankC - 2/29/2004 6:25:14 PM
- dis-Passion-ate - Fox - 2/29/2004 3:54:09 PM
  - re: dis-Passion-ate - FrankC - 2/29/2004 6:33:03 PM
    - Mel's Aussie - Fox - 2/29/2004 8:08:46 PM
      - originally from the US - Daniel - 3/2/2004 1:22:58 PM
        
        That helps to explain how he does an American accent so well (n/t) - Fox - 3/7/2004 3:15:14 AM
      - I always thought he was an Aussie (n/t) - SDG - 3/1/2004 3:49:10 PM
        
        Can't believe I had forgotten. - FrankC - 3/1/2004 5:22:59 PM
- re: Anyone seen the new Mel Gibson flick - Lindy - 2/29/2004 6:26:43 AM

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