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Nice try.

Tom Brosz — 9/20/2004 4:12:32 PM (archived)

From your post below:

Without Ramon's too early bail-out, it is likely that crew compartment integrity would have been preserved through to frei-punkt, at which time speeds would have been low enough to have offered bail-outs some chance of success.

I have read this sentence closely, and it's pretty hard to read it any other way than blaming Ramon for the deaths of the crew, at least in your hypothesis.

As for your long-displayed hostility towards Israel*, that's not news around here either. Why would Ramon have been the one to hit the hatch, even granting your baseless theory, and not the four other experienced military pilots in the crew?

For the record, Ramon ejected from a stricken aircraft, which is not the same thing as "bailing out."

*Oddly, Muslim nations occupying other nations by force get no attention at all from those who are violently anti-Israel. But it can't be anti-semitism.

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Columbia hatch found in Lufkin, Texas - it needs to be fingerprinted - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 5:11:32 PM
- Do gloves leave fingerprints, EP? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/20/2004 2:57:38 PM
  - covered in depth below (n/t) - E.P. Grondine - 9/20/2004 4:11:59 PM
- Hasn't ANYONE noticed?? - Daniel L - 9/19/2004 7:00:58 PM
  - Grondine is a hack... - R.L. - 9/20/2004 7:34:30 AM
  - I am sure that they have. - E.P. Grondine - 9/20/2004 4:32:38 AM
    - Nice try. - Tom Brosz - 9/20/2004 4:12:32 PM
      - He should air his views openly on CE or Offtopic instead of disguising them here in this way (n/t) - Daniel - 9/20/2004 4:51:32 PM
    - Wrong: I am NOT accusing you of that. Here is my 'declaration of principle' - - Daniel L - 9/20/2004 10:19:15 AM
      - Thank you for your apology - - E.P. Gorndine - 9/20/2004 4:09:25 PM
        
        EP, it's YOU who is focussed on Ramon - not me - Daniel - 9/20/2004 4:37:40 PM
        
        No, it is you - E.P. Grondine - 9/20/2004 5:47:16 PM
        
        There were four other fighter pilots in that cabin. You're not making your case. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/20/2004 6:04:40 PM
        
        The case - E.P. Grondine - 9/21/2004 5:37:56 AM
  - (sorry et - I realize you, like Tom and Keith, DID notice) - Daniel - 9/19/2004 7:19:19 PM
- Reality check. - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2004 12:13:24 AM
- You urgently need to explain that fingerprinting comment. - et - 9/16/2004 5:27:38 PM
  - Done below - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 5:34:42 PM
    - complete asinine garbage (n/t) - R.L. - 9/17/2004 5:56:48 AM
      - (n/t) - "No / Thinking" - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 2:26:13 PM
    - What Keith said and then some... (n/t) - et - 9/16/2004 8:19:52 PM
      - 2 cents to $5,000,000,000, or, I look forward to your apology - E.P. Gorndine - 9/16/2004 8:33:07 PM
        
        OK - I apologize to all humanity on behalf of your anomalist, conspiracist, nasty stupid waste of space (n/t) - Daniel L - 9/17/2004 12:08:33 PM
        
        nice try - but I've decided to no longer reply to attacks in kind - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 2:23:25 PM
        
        I'M GLAD TO ELABORATE: - Daniel L - 9/18/2004 10:58:03 AM
        
        Good bye - E.P. Grondine - 9/18/2004 12:04:18 PM
- re: Columbia hatch found in Lufkin, Texas - it needs to be fingerprinted - Raoul - 9/16/2004 5:22:47 PM
  - could you please speak in your own words .. - Daniel - 9/17/2004 12:20:50 PM
- re: Columbia hatch found in Lufkin, Texas - it needs to be fingerprinted - Tom Brosz - 9/16/2004 5:16:37 PM
  - disintegration timeline and crew compartment integrity - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 5:31:37 PM
    - Some evidence, please? - Skeptical - 9/17/2004 3:17:33 AM
      - Fair enough, Sceptical - - E.P. Groindine - 9/17/2004 3:31:53 PM
        
        Columbia - Separable Crew Cabin - StillSkeptical - 9/17/2004 7:21:58 PM
        
        Why don't you try over on the Aviation Week bulletin board? - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 8:06:01 PM
        
        No such crew compartment separation system was ever installed - Keith Cowing - 9/18/2004 12:59:12 AM
        
        Fair enough, Scoop - E.P. Grondine - 9/18/2004 2:20:47 PM
        
        re: Fair enough, Scoop - Doug - 9/18/2004 7:21:56 PM
        
        Same deal, Doug - E.P. Grondine - 9/18/2004 7:50:29 PM
        
        I'll take it - dtb - 9/18/2004 8:04:11 PM
        
        Thanks - E.P. Grondine - 9/18/2004 9:17:16 PM
        
        Doug and Keith shouldn't have to sign off. - Mary Anne - 9/19/2004 12:29:30 AM
        
        re: Doug and Keith shouldn't have to sign off. - E.P. Grondine - 9/19/2004 2:12:44 PM
        
        Exactly - dtb - 9/19/2004 12:57:07 AM
        
        Not Exactly, Exactly - E.P. Grondine - 9/19/2004 2:44:42 PM
        
        Explosive bolts - Tom Brosz - 9/19/2004 12:48:43 AM
        
        Thanks Tom (n/t) - Daniel - 9/19/2004 6:50:49 PM
        
        re: What matters. - E.P. Grondine - 9/19/2004 2:29:17 PM
        
        re: What matters. - Doug - 9/19/2004 4:38:40 PM
        
        re: What matters. - E.P. Grondine - 9/19/2004 5:24:04 PM
        
        re: What matters. - Doug Ellison - 9/19/2004 7:44:02 PM
        
        Grinding axes - Mary Anne - 9/19/2004 1:34:36 AM
        
        totally inappropiate - Daniel L - 9/19/2004 7:25:14 PM
        
        re: totally inappropiate - E.P. Grondine - 9/20/2004 4:09:14 AM
        
        Yes. Why let him hoist himself by his own petard when you are so eager to do the work for him? (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/20/2004 1:00:27 AM
        
        Wrong again! - Daniel - 9/20/2004 10:29:35 AM
        
        First you talked about anomalism, and now it's something else. - Mary Anne - 9/20/2004 11:05:17 AM
        
        our different approaches can work in tandem - Daniel - 9/20/2004 11:19:21 AM
        
        re: totally inappropiate - Doug Ellison - 9/19/2004 7:45:02 PM
        
        Agreed - dtb - 9/19/2004 9:03:59 PM
        
        re: Agreed - Doug Ellison - 9/19/2004 11:21:18 PM
        
        re: Grinding axes - E.P. Grondine - 9/19/2004 2:52:46 PM
    - What about the video that shows them seconds before the break up started. - REB - 9/16/2004 5:56:25 PM
      - re: Gloves and helmet - Raoul - 9/16/2004 6:54:53 PM
      - re:gloves - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 6:28:37 PM
        
        re: re:gloves - Doug - 9/17/2004 9:50:26 AM
        
        re: re:gloves - E.P. Grondine - 9/18/2004 12:01:22 AM
        
        re: re:gloves - Doug - 9/18/2004 7:18:03 PM
    - What an idiot you are - Keith Cowing - 9/16/2004 5:43:40 PM
      - Why Hi there, Scoop - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 5:54:34 PM

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