re: re:gloves

Doug — 9/17/2004 9:50:26 AM (archived)

So - you're asking us to assume the following

That Ramon was NOT wearing his gloves ( which he most probably was - specifics of who was wearing what when found on the ground have not and SHOULD NOT be released )

That there was a moment of time between realizing that something was drastically wrong, and it all being over ( again, highly unlikely )

That during that time, Ramon would have made the WRONG decision to blow the hatch ( at that altitude, doing so would have resulted in death for all due to rapid decompression )

And that - assuming he wasnt wearing his gloves, assuming there was time before noticing something wrong and cabin breakup, assuming he'd make the wrong decision to blow at that altitiude, you're assuming that fingerprints would make it thru re-entry.

Wow - you're doing a whole lot of assuming.

We know what happened. The situation was beyond recovery regardless of what crew could/should/might/might not of done. Dont try and raise up a harrowing and hurtfull issue. It's in bad taste, demonstrates bad ethics, bad knowledge of the subject matter, and a bad gauge of peoples feelings. You're no better than John Maxson if you continue on this path - if not worse.

Doug

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Columbia hatch found in Lufkin, Texas - it needs to be fingerprinted - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 5:11:32 PM
- Do gloves leave fingerprints, EP? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/20/2004 2:57:38 PM
  - covered in depth below (n/t) - E.P. Grondine - 9/20/2004 4:11:59 PM
- Hasn't ANYONE noticed?? - Daniel L - 9/19/2004 7:00:58 PM
  - Grondine is a hack... - R.L. - 9/20/2004 7:34:30 AM
  - I am sure that they have. - E.P. Grondine - 9/20/2004 4:32:38 AM
    - Nice try. - Tom Brosz - 9/20/2004 4:12:32 PM
      - He should air his views openly on CE or Offtopic instead of disguising them here in this way (n/t) - Daniel - 9/20/2004 4:51:32 PM
    - Wrong: I am NOT accusing you of that. Here is my 'declaration of principle' - - Daniel L - 9/20/2004 10:19:15 AM
      - Thank you for your apology - - E.P. Gorndine - 9/20/2004 4:09:25 PM
        
        EP, it's YOU who is focussed on Ramon - not me - Daniel - 9/20/2004 4:37:40 PM
        
        No, it is you - E.P. Grondine - 9/20/2004 5:47:16 PM
        
        There were four other fighter pilots in that cabin. You're not making your case. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/20/2004 6:04:40 PM
        
        The case - E.P. Grondine - 9/21/2004 5:37:56 AM
  - (sorry et - I realize you, like Tom and Keith, DID notice) - Daniel - 9/19/2004 7:19:19 PM
- Reality check. - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2004 12:13:24 AM
- You urgently need to explain that fingerprinting comment. - et - 9/16/2004 5:27:38 PM
  - Done below - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 5:34:42 PM
    - complete asinine garbage (n/t) - R.L. - 9/17/2004 5:56:48 AM
      - (n/t) - "No / Thinking" - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 2:26:13 PM
    - What Keith said and then some... (n/t) - et - 9/16/2004 8:19:52 PM
      - 2 cents to $5,000,000,000, or, I look forward to your apology - E.P. Gorndine - 9/16/2004 8:33:07 PM
        
        OK - I apologize to all humanity on behalf of your anomalist, conspiracist, nasty stupid waste of space (n/t) - Daniel L - 9/17/2004 12:08:33 PM
        
        nice try - but I've decided to no longer reply to attacks in kind - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 2:23:25 PM
        
        I'M GLAD TO ELABORATE: - Daniel L - 9/18/2004 10:58:03 AM
        
        Good bye - E.P. Grondine - 9/18/2004 12:04:18 PM
- re: Columbia hatch found in Lufkin, Texas - it needs to be fingerprinted - Raoul - 9/16/2004 5:22:47 PM
  - could you please speak in your own words .. - Daniel - 9/17/2004 12:20:50 PM
- re: Columbia hatch found in Lufkin, Texas - it needs to be fingerprinted - Tom Brosz - 9/16/2004 5:16:37 PM
  - disintegration timeline and crew compartment integrity - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 5:31:37 PM
    - Some evidence, please? - Skeptical - 9/17/2004 3:17:33 AM
      - Fair enough, Sceptical - - E.P. Groindine - 9/17/2004 3:31:53 PM
        
        Columbia - Separable Crew Cabin - StillSkeptical - 9/17/2004 7:21:58 PM
        
        Why don't you try over on the Aviation Week bulletin board? - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 8:06:01 PM
        
        No such crew compartment separation system was ever installed - Keith Cowing - 9/18/2004 12:59:12 AM
        
        Fair enough, Scoop - E.P. Grondine - 9/18/2004 2:20:47 PM
        
        re: Fair enough, Scoop - Doug - 9/18/2004 7:21:56 PM
        
        Same deal, Doug - E.P. Grondine - 9/18/2004 7:50:29 PM
        
        I'll take it - dtb - 9/18/2004 8:04:11 PM
        
        Thanks - E.P. Grondine - 9/18/2004 9:17:16 PM
        
        Doug and Keith shouldn't have to sign off. - Mary Anne - 9/19/2004 12:29:30 AM
        
        re: Doug and Keith shouldn't have to sign off. - E.P. Grondine - 9/19/2004 2:12:44 PM
        
        Exactly - dtb - 9/19/2004 12:57:07 AM
        
        Not Exactly, Exactly - E.P. Grondine - 9/19/2004 2:44:42 PM
        
        Explosive bolts - Tom Brosz - 9/19/2004 12:48:43 AM
        
        Thanks Tom (n/t) - Daniel - 9/19/2004 6:50:49 PM
        
        re: What matters. - E.P. Grondine - 9/19/2004 2:29:17 PM
        
        re: What matters. - Doug - 9/19/2004 4:38:40 PM
        
        re: What matters. - E.P. Grondine - 9/19/2004 5:24:04 PM
        
        re: What matters. - Doug Ellison - 9/19/2004 7:44:02 PM
        
        Grinding axes - Mary Anne - 9/19/2004 1:34:36 AM
        
        totally inappropiate - Daniel L - 9/19/2004 7:25:14 PM
        
        re: totally inappropiate - E.P. Grondine - 9/20/2004 4:09:14 AM
        
        Yes. Why let him hoist himself by his own petard when you are so eager to do the work for him? (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/20/2004 1:00:27 AM
        
        Wrong again! - Daniel - 9/20/2004 10:29:35 AM
        
        First you talked about anomalism, and now it's something else. - Mary Anne - 9/20/2004 11:05:17 AM
        
        our different approaches can work in tandem - Daniel - 9/20/2004 11:19:21 AM
        
        re: totally inappropiate - Doug Ellison - 9/19/2004 7:45:02 PM
        
        Agreed - dtb - 9/19/2004 9:03:59 PM
        
        re: Agreed - Doug Ellison - 9/19/2004 11:21:18 PM
        
        re: Grinding axes - E.P. Grondine - 9/19/2004 2:52:46 PM
    - What about the video that shows them seconds before the break up started. - REB - 9/16/2004 5:56:25 PM
      - re: Gloves and helmet - Raoul - 9/16/2004 6:54:53 PM
      - re:gloves - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 6:28:37 PM
        
        re: re:gloves - Doug - 9/17/2004 9:50:26 AM
        
        re: re:gloves - E.P. Grondine - 9/18/2004 12:01:22 AM
        
        re: re:gloves - Doug - 9/18/2004 7:18:03 PM
    - What an idiot you are - Keith Cowing - 9/16/2004 5:43:40 PM
      - Why Hi there, Scoop - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 5:54:34 PM

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