How About A Nation Of Laws and Honest Debate?

Mark Eby — 8/31/2005 2:28:36 AM (archived)

No one is going to jail over acusations of treason and they will not stop anyone from speaking from conviction. It's that simple. There is no threat to freedom of speech or the rule of law. Are you defending the right to lie and mislead?

Democracy works best with an educated well informed public. People who lie to gain political power are a scourge on democracy. Those that truely believe bush lied about wmd have every right to be pissed about it. I believe he didn't lie and that many of those who say he did are lieing and I'm pissed about that. I'm even more pissed by people who tell lies that inflame muslim resentment of the US. People have to be free to lie to protect our freedom of speech. They don't have to be free from public scorn and accusations of treason to prevent them from lieing.

Regards,
Mark

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I can't help but wonder... - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/30/2005 7:54:54 PM
- Who wrote the book of love... (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/31/2005 7:57:40 AM
  - Lieutenant Brosz, you've interrupted my thread. I'm sorry... there'll be no ice cream for you tonight. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/31/2005 3:15:55 PM
    - My My, aren't you modest.... (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 6:00:00 PM
      - You're a bit young...it's lost in translation. (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/1/2005 12:42:05 AM
        
        Hey, I remembered. Must be a geek shortage around here... - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2005 4:36:30 AM
        
        Yipes. I take it back. Just saw the rest of the thread. - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2005 4:38:05 AM
        
        I think paraphrasing Star Trek now is "old school" geek. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/1/2005 5:20:47 AM
  - All you need is love. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 8/31/2005 12:50:05 PM
    - Love... you're better off without it, and I'm better off without mine. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/31/2005 3:20:30 PM
      - "Love, Is A Many Splendored Thing."...... (n/t) - Publius - 8/31/2005 3:31:40 PM
        
        re: "Love, Is A Many *Splintered* Thing."...... (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 3:44:09 PM
        
        "What's LOVE got to do with it?" (n/t) - Lindy - 8/31/2005 5:12:30 PM
- You also can't help but be predictable - Fox - 8/31/2005 3:53:22 AM
  - Just another talent... - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/31/2005 5:08:08 AM
    - re: "come and gone" - Fox - 8/31/2005 3:04:56 PM
      - You know what Joe's mistake was? He wasn't born an lrishman (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/31/2005 3:43:23 PM
        
        One more time! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2005 8:58:55 PM
        
        Why, that's rational of you SDAI........ (n/t) - Lindy - 8/31/2005 5:37:36 PM
    - how can you tar Fox, Robert et al with the same brush as 'go insurgents'? - Daniel - 8/31/2005 2:00:26 PM
      - Easy: tar -czpf insurgents /root/worthy/fox /root/worthy/fox - DL - 8/31/2005 3:49:43 PM
        
        hey bro, me big mojo, you get mine ponitifications serious-like .. - not that DL - 8/31/2005 5:21:36 PM
        
        oops:tar -czpf go_insurgents.tar /root/worthy/fox /root/worthy/fox (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 3:51:11 PM
        
        re: oops:tar -czpf go_insurgents.tar /root/worthy/fox /root/worthy/robert - DL - 8/31/2005 3:58:32 PM
        
        LOL...suh-weet! (n/t) - McFly - 8/31/2005 5:22:44 PM
        
        A ClearCase can be made that you should ZIP it and SIT (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 4:00:12 PM
        
        ant, um, it is clear now that this is the prologue to a flame war.... (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 5:15:33 PM
        
        The post is prologue as we stack flames and pop the caller (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 5:31:45 PM
        
        Don't push it too far, though. Our buffer here only goes so far... (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 5:33:30 PM
        
        That's why I implemented TOC paging (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 5:35:31 PM
        
        LOL! good comeback. (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 5:47:17 PM
        
        Ohh, maybe I should have said 'good callback'! (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 5:58:49 PM
        
        Your right, Robert- I am only the Shell of the geek that you were bourne as. But please don't bash me too hard. (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 4:02:07 PM
        
        Oh, I wouldn't bash you, though I might hash you and /bin you (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 4:05:36 PM
        
        Hmmm, I compute a key collision in this attempt to hash this thing out. I think we should not cast the object of this disagreement too strongly, I'm not sure I could, er, find the class in my library… (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 4:22:56 PM
        
        It's a matter of using the framework and respecting the class hierarchy, through which one inherits authority (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 4:54:54 PM
        
        Although, through reflection, one can free oneself from the class hierarchy, and undermine its protections and the privacy of its members. (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 5:05:14 PM
        
        Worker threads of the world, interrupt! You have nothing to lose but your call chain! (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 5:28:17 PM
        
        hey, I take exception() to, umm, Calls like that! Watch where you pointer that thing! Referncing things ut of memory like that could lead to global insecurity! (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 5:31:26 PM
        
        I try to buffer overruns, but sometimes I register a pointer overrun do to invalid memory, and it's all my fault (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 5:34:50 PM
        
        Robert, its okay, we forgive your segmentation faults. don't feel better after such a core dump? Getting all of that corrupted memory off your chest? (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 5:48:57 PM
        
        It may be a corrupted memory, but I feel as though I was born of a General Protection Fault (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 6:12:43 PM
        
        So it ends where it begins? Back at inheritance? Its an endless loop, eh? (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 6:16:12 PM
        
        do while( nature > nurture ) (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 8:05:36 PM
        
        You Glib cat's need to be less object oriented and more interpretive before this thread turns into a huge Python. (n/t) - et - 8/31/2005 4:46:05 PM
        
        lisp-en up, Ecto... I know, ummm, smalltalk bores you, but maybe we can take a more functional approach? (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 5:10:06 PM
        
        A Perl of wisdom! (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 4:55:19 PM
        
        Eiffel over tying to read this (n/t) - McFly - 9/1/2005 5:28:59 PM
        
        But then, some people like Hewlett-Packard so much they start to PHP (n/t) - Robert - 9/1/2005 6:47:33 PM
        
        Start preparing scripting. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/31/2005 4:14:31 PM
        
        Shhhh! Stick with the script! (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 4:55:54 PM
        
        or did you mean: 'Schtick with the script!' (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 5:10:54 PM
        
        Ohhhh null! (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 5:36:20 PM
        
        What are you de-referencing with that remark? (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 5:49:40 PM
        
        I was trying to give Techie a pointer, but he overwrote it and returned null (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 6:09:49 PM
        
        Maybe thats why he only returns garbage when I call him. (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 6:14:30 PM
        
        if( reply_humor < previous_humor ) return false; (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 8:07:49 PM
        
        re: if( reply_humor < previous_humor ){ doFlame(currSubject)}; (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 8:31:24 PM
        
        } (n/t) - Robert - 8/31/2005 9:17:50 PM
        
        backspace backspace left-arrow ; - DL - 8/31/2005 10:00:34 PM
        
        No.... - Robert - 8/31/2005 10:50:31 PM
        
        Oh, sorry. My ParseError (n/t) - DL - 8/31/2005 11:05:22 PM
        
        That's quite a list you two have compiled. - et - 9/1/2005 4:22:50 AM
        
        Yeth, ithn't it? ... and they didn't Lisp onthe - Fox - 9/1/2005 2:46:35 PM
    - Your "talent" - Lindy - 8/31/2005 12:14:42 PM
      - Looks like... - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/31/2005 4:01:55 PM
        
        Or Godiva chocolates..... (n/t) - Lindy - 8/31/2005 5:43:22 PM
    - Treason is not protected by the First Amendment. - Mary Anne - 8/31/2005 11:56:59 AM
- you really should see an opthalmologist about that winking problem - Daniel - 8/31/2005 2:24:28 AM
  - Ah, that's just part of my comforting predictability. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/31/2005 7:06:12 AM
- "Nazis...in the HabitableZone...shrieking 'treason!'" - Robert - 8/30/2005 10:26:00 PM
- Sky: not falling. Calling your friends treasonous scumbags: likely to stir up some resistance. - alcaray - 8/30/2005 10:08:07 PM
- I Was Thinking Something Similar Today - Mark Eby - 8/30/2005 9:48:43 PM
  - Because it is a fine line they play with. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/30/2005 11:50:43 PM
    - Compassion has nothing to do with it. - Mary Anne - 8/31/2005 12:35:12 AM
      - Depends on the situation - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/31/2005 2:50:32 AM
        
        "We need no new leftist martyrs"? - Lindy - 8/31/2005 3:40:04 AM
      - Please Explain - Mark Eby - 8/31/2005 2:00:39 AM
        
        Only when it's "your" Libeerty - Lindy - 8/31/2005 3:44:06 AM
        
        re: Only when it's "your" Libeerty - ID - 9/1/2005 2:35:55 PM
        
        I would agree with your first statement - Lindy - 9/2/2005 12:34:31 AM
        
        A nation of laws - Mary Anne - 8/31/2005 2:13:03 AM
        
        How About A Nation Of Laws and Honest Debate? - Mark Eby - 8/31/2005 2:28:36 AM
        
        "Are you defending the right to lie and mislead?" - Lindy - 8/31/2005 3:45:51 AM
        
        How are you going to have honest debate if to hold a dissenting opinion equals an accusation of treason? - Mary Anne - 8/31/2005 3:29:10 AM
        
        I Thought Way Better Of You Mary Anne - Mark Eby - 9/1/2005 2:32:08 AM
        
        Listen, Mr. Corkscrew: - Mary Anne - 9/1/2005 3:54:20 AM
        
        Very Easy Proof - ID - 9/1/2005 2:24:07 PM
        
        No proof at all. - Mary Anne - 9/1/2005 3:39:29 PM
        
        Side Note - ID - 9/1/2005 2:28:59 PM
        
        One more time... - Mary Anne - 9/1/2005 3:49:15 PM
        
        Ok, if you insist. I'll take you home Kathleen... (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/1/2005 9:46:24 PM
        
        Do you think SDAI's started drinking again?? (n/t) - Lindy - 9/2/2005 12:44:48 AM
        
        Let Me Clarify One Sentence - Mark Eby - 9/1/2005 2:41:56 AM
        
        What he seeks is not debate - Fox - 8/31/2005 4:22:05 AM
        
        So Counting Is Also A Problem For You? - ID - 9/1/2005 2:58:26 PM
        
        What he seeks is not debate - Hence my lone contribution to the thread......... ;-) - Tony - 8/31/2005 3:11:51 PM
        
        Aw nuts again - Tony - 8/31/2005 3:13:19 PM
        
        [ Hysterical Laughter ] (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/31/2005 4:26:11 PM
- wonder away... (n/t) - Tony - 8/30/2005 9:28:17 PM

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