re: Nations

Raoul — 8/1/2006 5:41:19 AM (archived)

It's Israel's government (thus the state of Israel) that's directly responsible for the massacre in Qana.

No government (nor state) is directly responsible for 9-11.

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Reactions - Tom Brosz - 7/31/2006 11:42:41 PM
- Moral equivalency - Robert - 8/1/2006 4:06:47 PM
  - "Civilization won't stand long when when the self-proclaimed good guys use war as an excuse to take a holiday from civilization" - Lindy - 8/2/2006 11:01:58 PM
  - And our side won't last long when we're the only ones using a rule book. - Lee - 8/2/2006 2:44:13 AM
    - So when you signing up Lee? - Lindy - 8/2/2006 11:07:48 PM
    - Is that all it is to you, Lee, just a bunch of rules? - Robert - 8/2/2006 2:56:46 AM
      - That's about it. - Lee - 8/2/2006 3:22:30 AM
        
        But the moral response to "you harm my family" must always be... - alcaray - 8/2/2006 3:43:15 PM
        
        Then you need to blame the cause, not the effect. - Lee - 8/2/2006 7:02:23 PM
        
        I think we were talking about targeting civilians (n/t) - alcaray - 8/2/2006 8:50:28 PM
        
        Only one side in these wars is deliberately targeting civilians. - Tom Brosz - 8/2/2006 8:53:46 PM
        
        ala - alcaray - 8/3/2006 2:42:17 PM
        
        HRW report - Tom Brosz - 8/3/2006 4:49:27 PM
        
        Israel's abuses? - alcaray - 8/3/2006 5:31:02 PM
        
        re: Israel's abuses? - Tom Brosz - 8/3/2006 6:01:45 PM
        
        I did not know about the rocket attacks on the 12th. - alcaray - 8/3/2006 8:48:29 PM
        
        "Deliberately targeting civilians" - Lindy - 8/3/2006 2:20:19 AM
        
        You are talking about the bombing of the highways, bridges, and airports, right? (n/t) - alcaray - 8/2/2006 10:24:00 PM
        
        "a long twilight struggle..." - Robert - 8/2/2006 4:28:02 AM
        
        "War without end" - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/2/2006 5:30:48 AM
        
        re: "War without end" - lindy - 8/3/2006 2:29:10 AM
  - "The soft nihilism of low expectations" - Tom Brosz - 8/1/2006 7:38:19 PM
    - re: "The soft nihilism of low expectations" - Mary Anne - 8/2/2006 12:46:36 AM
      - Another article on Bizarro World morality... - Tom Brosz - 8/2/2006 1:26:33 AM
      - Israel is fighting for its life - Tom Brosz - 8/2/2006 1:07:52 AM
        
        Israel is fighting for it's life? Howdya figger? - Bowser - 8/2/2006 5:35:04 AM
        
        re: Israel is fighting for it's life? Howdya figger? - Lindy - 8/3/2006 2:35:10 AM
        
        You know, I wish I took copious notes on what I read the way you do. - Mary Anne - 8/2/2006 2:07:59 AM
        
        Actually... - Tom Brosz - 8/2/2006 6:18:07 AM
    - RightWing negotiable values - Robert - 8/1/2006 9:04:10 PM
    - A thousand words - Tom Brosz - 8/1/2006 7:44:07 PM
  - Smoothly done, Robert... - Tom Brosz - 8/1/2006 7:03:25 PM
    - One for the road... - Tom Brosz - 8/3/2006 6:07:20 PM
    - We *should* know better. - Mary Anne - 8/2/2006 12:33:35 AM
      - re: We *should* know better. - Tom Brosz - 8/2/2006 12:59:19 AM
        
        Did I say Hezbollah should get off scotfree? No. - Mary Anne - 8/2/2006 1:59:16 AM
        
        So you'll hold Amnesty International... - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/2/2006 2:40:32 AM
        
        Prove it. - Mary Anne - 8/2/2006 3:57:30 AM
        
        C'mon now... - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/2/2006 5:01:26 AM
        
        are you all right? (n/t) - alcaray - 8/2/2006 4:53:02 PM
        
        I see: Amnesty International is the next target. - Mary Anne - 8/2/2006 5:15:02 AM
        
        You figured it out! - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/2/2006 5:56:28 AM
        
        Of course! And Christians are murderers. - Mary Anne - 8/2/2006 12:25:14 PM
        
        All eyes to the center ring....Mary Anne - the moral contortionist! - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/2/2006 9:43:45 PM
        
        Excuse me... You have not proved a thing. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 8/2/2006 11:47:31 PM
        
        PS. The expose is here. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/2/2006 11:06:09 PM
        
        ...and citing yourself is no help. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 8/2/2006 11:48:17 PM
    - "the people in the marches have a deep and abiding hostility to the West and its values." - Robert - 8/1/2006 8:22:36 PM
      - re: "the people in the marches" - Tom Brosz - 8/2/2006 12:38:47 AM
        
        Ohhhhhh - Robert - 8/2/2006 2:46:43 AM
        
        Yeah, I noticed that after I read your response. - Tom Brosz - 8/2/2006 6:32:36 AM
        
        Protests in a democracy - Robert - 8/2/2006 5:36:07 PM
        
        another bit - alcaray - 8/2/2006 6:28:10 PM
        
        Nobody hears much from the moderate people in the newspapers. - Mary Anne - 8/2/2006 12:49:36 AM
- The right-wing reaction to the story was faster. - alcaray - 8/1/2006 2:49:28 PM
- re: Nations - Raoul - 8/1/2006 5:41:19 AM
  - re: Nations - Tom Brosz - 8/1/2006 6:29:15 AM
    - re: Ecological disaster - Raoul - 8/1/2006 7:20:07 PM
    - He's just being Belgian again. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/1/2006 8:12:44 AM
      - re: "They" is Amnesty International (n/t) - Raoul - 8/1/2006 4:42:21 PM
        
        Putting faces on Amnesty International - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/1/2006 5:34:26 PM
        
        re: In Amnesty International you have "International" - Raoul - 8/1/2006 8:00:47 PM
        
        That was a lot of work for nothing, wasn't it SDAI? - Tom Brosz - 8/1/2006 8:03:08 PM
        
        To people like that Hezbollah is just another NGO. - Lee - 8/2/2006 3:26:02 AM
        
        It was worth a shot. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/1/2006 11:11:46 PM
        
        Let's see you do a similar breakdown of Cheney and the oil interests. - Mary Anne - 8/2/2006 12:54:55 AM
        
        Proportionate difference of scale. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/2/2006 2:12:02 AM
        
        You want to try to explain away no-bid contracts that exclued US firms as well? - Mary Anne - 8/2/2006 4:05:04 AM
        
        Understand Europe - not detest it. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/2/2006 5:13:37 AM
- Revisionist history of the highest order. - tony - 8/1/2006 2:19:04 AM
  - Back that up, if you can. - Tom Brosz - 8/1/2006 3:03:25 AM
    - i didnt even read that far down your post - tony - 8/1/2006 3:46:12 AM
      - Okay, go for that, then. - Tom Brosz - 8/1/2006 6:25:28 AM
        
        You're right - Tony - 8/1/2006 1:46:34 PM
        
        re: You're right - Tom Brosz - 8/1/2006 7:09:28 PM
        
        Pssst! Hey, Tom, over here! - Robert - 8/1/2006 9:06:59 PM
    - Good place to start... - Tom Brosz - 8/1/2006 3:07:05 AM
- Heh, heh. Phony point. - Bowser - 8/1/2006 12:00:12 AM

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