Flame — HabitableZone

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No, not really.

The people who put the men on the moon were educated in German schools, most of which, when higher than elementary school are men. The German educational system, which I have seen close up, is far superior in course material and requirements. English is mandatory and most speak 3 languages semi-fluently by the time they are in eighth grade.

US schools are just getting started with languages at that point.

The generation of movers and shakers were mostly educated by men once they got into college. There were female college teachers of course, but in the better universities they were far outnumbered by men.

Look at our elementary, middle and high schools. How many female science teachers are there? Every school I ever went to the science teachers were male. Most advanced math teachers too. How many female physics teachers? In my day they were non-existent. And this was in "progressive" CA.

Sure MA is right, I wouldn't tell it to a female teachers face, because it wouldn't be fair. The discussion is meant for a much higher level in the national education picture. Rogers was already considered "courageous" and "outspoken" for his article, and it wasn't designed to denigrate women, merely to point out that our educational system has suffered because of a lackadaisical attitude to education in general.

Yes, your point is valid about the many hard-working teachers. Most of the teachers I had were hard working, later on - not so much. And recently in my experience I've met some non-hard working teachers as well. I've literally felt embarassed for the lack of public speaking skills demonstrated by teachers and principals on parent-teacher night. Amazed at curriculum which consists of lots of feel-good PC BS and way too little of the 3 r's. They are nice people, but they are not really scholarly minded at all and their chosen profession is a complete mismatch.

I doubt if I am alone in these observations.

Sure, America has achieved a lot. We had some of the brightest minds in the twentieth century. Though many of those were imported from Europe and more often than not Germany. But today's generations know far less hard science, far less vocabulary and writing skills and are merely compensated for this by knowing how to surf the web for an answer and click a mouse. Instead of storing more knowledge and becoming a provider of new ideas, they simply access what's come before and become a user. One only need look at music, entertainment and books these days to see how far the bar has dropped on US culture. And the decline shows no sign whatsoever of improving or turning around.

A lot of the economic issues we have conflict with liberals is the byproduct of our failed education system. How many Americans do you think have read the 1000 plus pages of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged? And of those who did read it - how many were being instructed by the teacher in a completely opposite philosophy and ignore the messages contained in the stories therein?

How many liberals without all this knowledge are flailing in life? How many have dead end jobs and berate the system as an escape mechanism instead of picking up their own bed and walking? How many who weren't paying attention in school and no little history, math or science and are now miserable vote default Democrat in every election?

That's the problem Tom. It's education. No, women are not the problem - merely a symptom. The problem is unqualified, disinterested teachers and educational professionals and a society swayed and consumed more by pacification (entertainment) than learning and accomplishment.

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