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Ah. The "not increasing as fast as we think it should be" cut. A classic.

TB — 5/30/2008 11:19:14 PM (archived)

As is your weird definition of "flat" funding. the rate has obviously increased since the start of the war in Afghanistan.

Some more charts:

General budget:

Medical care:

You can draw a curve as easily as I can.

Factcheck.org actually does seem to be nonpartisan. Look around the site a bit. Not that it affects the actual data, of course.

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• Garrison Keillor gets ripped a new one - TB - 5/30/2008 4:16:12 AM
  • I wonder what he would think of an Irish wake? (n/t) - Jody - 6/2/2008 11:10:21 PM
  • Amazing! - alcaray - 5/30/2008 10:25:00 PM
    • Hmm... - RobVG - 6/2/2008 2:34:36 PM
      • How noisy would the priders be? (n/t) - alcaray - 6/2/2008 6:36:23 PM
      • "Which group would see the most tolerance?" - ARRELL - 6/2/2008 3:58:39 PM
  • What did Keillor say? Your link doesn't go there. - Eri - 5/30/2008 10:06:22 PM
    • Link under "Whoops!" below. (n/t) - TB - 5/30/2008 10:26:43 PM
  • Once again, TB, you've done your part to heal our divisions and bring us together as a nation. (n/t) - ER - 5/30/2008 7:37:16 PM
  • Garrison Keillor is right. - ER - 5/30/2008 1:01:20 PM
    • re: Garrison Keillor - TB - 5/30/2008 5:50:23 PM
      • There you do, generalizing again. - Eri - 5/30/2008 10:09:55 PM
      • Musings on memorial day - ARRELL - 5/30/2008 7:07:03 PM
        • More- Keillor's memorial day broadcast - ARRELL - 5/30/2008 8:38:56 PM
          • re: Keillor's memorial day broadcast - TB - 5/30/2008 9:27:05 PM
            • Keillor didn't say anything not true. - Eri - 5/30/2008 10:17:52 PM
              • There is a reason TB didn't address the truth, he just parroted the spin - ARRELL - 5/30/2008 11:45:50 PM
            • Pathetic TB - ARRELL - 5/30/2008 9:52:40 PM
      • veterans - Robert - 5/30/2008 6:54:21 PM
        • re: veterans - TB - 5/30/2008 8:43:30 PM
          • Lies, damned lies, and statistics - Robert - 5/30/2008 9:43:17 PM
            • Ah. The "not increasing as fast as we think it should be" cut. A classic. - TB - 5/30/2008 11:19:14 PM
              • Try to hold on to a little perspective - Robert - 5/31/2008 2:49:59 AM
                • The budget has almost doubled since 2001 - Lee - 5/31/2008 3:04:51 AM
                  • THANKS FOR PLAYING - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 8:35:19 PM
                    • So $86 billion isn't enough, but $87 billion is? - Lee - 5/31/2008 8:58:04 PM
                      • You have serious reading comprehension issues, don't you... - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 9:03:39 PM
                        • "Funds for Health Care of Veterans $1 Billion Short" - Lee - 5/31/2008 9:19:22 PM
                          • :) by all means, keep playing- anyone reading this entire thread will learn a lot about you - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 9:29:38 PM
                            • This administration believes all sorts of nonsense. - Lee - 5/31/2008 10:06:37 PM
                              • " This administration believes all sorts of nonsense."- yup, like WMD are a slam dunk... - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 10:32:16 PM
                                • That's the difference. - Lee - 5/31/2008 11:52:17 PM
                • re: Try to hold on to the facts - TB - 5/31/2008 3:01:42 AM
              • From the other post you ignored... - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 12:07:18 AM
                • But PTSD isn't real. - Lee - 5/31/2008 2:28:16 AM
                  • re: But PTSD isn't real. - Jerry Lembcke - 5/31/2008 5:37:32 PM
                    • Thanks! - TB - 6/1/2008 1:12:30 AM
                    • Social Constructions - SDAI-Tech1 - 5/31/2008 8:41:09 PM
                    • A different reality...oh ok, that clears it up. - Lee - 5/31/2008 7:54:04 PM
                      • You didn't even live up to my low expectations.... - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 8:03:42 PM
                        • What's to discredit? - Lee - 5/31/2008 8:19:32 PM
                          • Again, you are inventing what he said and then quoting him as saying what you made up! - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 8:32:19 PM
                            • What he said is meaningless. - Lee - 5/31/2008 8:48:57 PM
                              • It's only meaningless if you dont have the reading skills to comprehend it... - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 9:01:51 PM
                                • You're an apologist. - Lee - 5/31/2008 9:13:52 PM
                                  • You're an idiot.... - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 9:24:38 PM
                    • PTSD and TBI - Robert - 5/31/2008 7:19:57 PM
                      • re: PTSD and TBI - TB - 6/1/2008 1:11:25 AM
                      • minor typo - Robert - 5/31/2008 7:21:31 PM
                    • Thank you for your clarification - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 5:50:50 PM
                  • re: But PTSD isn't real. (n/t) - Jerry Lembcke - 5/31/2008 5:29:09 PM
                  • Having trouble keeping track of the thread, Banjo Boy? - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 2:41:59 AM
                    • I prefer a steel guitar. (n/t) - Lee - 5/31/2008 2:46:23 AM
                  • Huh, So he did. - TB - 5/31/2008 2:41:22 AM
                • Want to know why I ignored it? - TB - 5/31/2008 2:18:57 AM
                  • :) nice try - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 2:38:15 AM
                    • No. - TB - 5/31/2008 2:53:16 AM
                      • More facts for you to ignore... Looks like Robert S. was right - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 3:44:06 AM
                        • Ignore? Actually... - TB - 5/31/2008 4:36:38 AM
                          • Soooo..... what deserves your outrage more....? - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 5:03:28 AM
                            • Why is it mutually exclusive? - TB - 5/31/2008 5:32:03 AM
                              • Groan... Someone else want to take a crack at explaining to TB what he just did? - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 6:22:47 AM
        • "the dispiriting lie" - ER - 5/30/2008 7:16:52 PM
        • That reporter is wrong. - Lee - 5/30/2008 7:03:42 PM
          • Prove it - Robert - 5/30/2008 9:53:49 PM
            • For the record. - Lee - 5/31/2008 12:07:57 AM
              • You wish - Robert - 5/31/2008 1:47:00 AM
                • re: You wish - Lee - 5/31/2008 2:01:40 AM
                  • re: You wish - Robert - 5/31/2008 2:44:42 AM
                    • My own research on this - Yeti - 5/31/2008 3:26:11 AM
                      • I'm okay with planting the goalposts at that point. (n/t) - TB - 5/31/2008 3:35:23 AM
                    • What I hope or don't hope doesn't matter. - Lee - 5/31/2008 2:57:55 AM
            • Where do you get off... - Lee - 5/30/2008 11:30:04 PM
              • Oh gee, I dunno... - Robert - 5/30/2008 11:52:34 PM
                • Not a lie. - TB - 5/31/2008 2:09:24 AM
                  • But not the truth, either - Robert - 5/31/2008 7:00:26 PM
                    • Remember "perspective?" - TB - 6/1/2008 1:28:21 AM
                    • Less civil? - Lee - 5/31/2008 8:13:31 PM
                  • And it's not just about spit - TB - 5/31/2008 2:31:47 AM
                    • The site that is from has a vietnam veteran's story where he specifically says "I never had anyone spit on me upon my return from Vietnam."- any particular reason you didnt mention that fact? (n/t) - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 2:58:13 AM
                      • Well, if he didn't get spat on, that proves nobody did. - TB - 5/31/2008 3:03:18 AM
                        • The rest of the quote - TB - 5/31/2008 3:15:01 AM
                        • You backtracked that photo? - TB - 5/31/2008 3:04:40 AM
                          • Wasn't too hard, I just correctly assumed there was a dishonest reason as to why you didn't give the source.... (n/t) - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 3:08:46 AM
                            • You're starting to get a bit weird. - TB - 5/31/2008 3:32:52 AM
                              • WEIRD? This thread PROVES that it is YOU that wants to INSIST on portraying veterans as victims! - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 6:52:59 PM
                • And you want vindication of your side by ignoring an ugly truth. - Lee - 5/31/2008 12:10:39 AM
                  • "The Left is pure and good..." - Robert - 5/31/2008 1:41:04 AM
                    • It is true. - Lee - 5/31/2008 2:08:08 AM
              • Yeah, Robert!!! His uncles could be decent human beings, nothing like Lee at all.... (n/t) - ARRELL - 5/30/2008 11:32:31 PM
                • This is Flame - Lee - 5/30/2008 11:34:41 PM
                  • Or, we could apply lee's bigoted reasoning and assume since he is such a sorry excuse for a human being.... - ARRELL - 5/30/2008 11:42:49 PM
                    • That's all you have. - Lee - 5/31/2008 12:21:16 AM
                    • This is Flame - Robert - 5/30/2008 11:54:47 PM
                      • LOL I am done - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 12:04:15 AM
                        • Yeah, but did you have to call them "a monkey's uncles"? (n/t) - Robert - 5/31/2008 1:22:15 AM
                          • I would NEVER insult monkies in that way!! - ARRELL - 5/31/2008 2:00:38 AM
                            • So you keep saying. (n/t) - Lee - 5/31/2008 2:14:38 AM
      • re: Garrison Keillor - ER - 5/30/2008 6:34:43 PM
        • You obviously dont understand veterans as well as TB does.... - ARRELL - 5/30/2008 6:41:21 PM
      • What a pile of slanderous crap... - ARRELL - 5/30/2008 6:14:50 PM
    • ER - RNE - 5/30/2008 5:39:09 PM
      • re: RNE - ER - 5/30/2008 6:25:36 PM
  • Er...did your links lead to the intended destinations? (n/t) - McFly - 5/30/2008 5:32:32 AM
    • Whoops! Thanks! - TB - 5/30/2008 6:18:07 AM
      • You want to express patriotic outrage? How about trying an issue that really matters... - ARRELL - 5/30/2008 5:44:08 PM
        • right on - Robert - 5/30/2008 6:59:46 PM
      • What is so offensive in what he says? - ARRELL - 5/30/2008 4:58:38 PM
        • You mean like anti-war protests? - Lee - 5/30/2008 7:14:41 PM
          • Plenty of veterans at anti-war protests.... - ARRELL - 5/30/2008 7:31:59 PM
      • "...at least somebody actually clicks on them!" - ER - 5/30/2008 1:41:21 PM
  • He's so far ahead in that department he'll never be caught. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/30/2008 4:21:44 AM