My bad...'didn't scroll down far enough...
I wrote:
Typically, everybody seems to be using the torture issue to bash the other side, without even addressing the related, perhaps more important question of whether or not anything valuable was actually gained from these methods.
My bad. I see that TB did the address the question, below. However, as my response to z's post in this same thread indicates, there are big questions about the credibility of KSMs claims, on the one hand, and the general value of information gained by torture, on the other.
It should be clear to anybody who thinks about it for a second or two, that, if they're torturing you, won't you admit just about anything in order to get them to stop? Wasn't that, in fact, the experience of John McCain while he was being held in the Hanoi Hilton?
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