My post was directed at all of our conservatives who fit the description, including but not limited to TB. I regarded it as a chance at redemption, certainly chiding them a bit along the way. Protesting Presidential lying and the American practice of torture has been a long, hard fight and the truth has finally come out. And some folks were and are clearly wrong.
People don't judge other people by the problems they have, we judge by how they handle those problems.
It is no sin to be wrong. It is a measure of the character of the individual as to how they handle being wrong. If they continue to deny they are wrong, that says a lot.
TB happened to respond in the usual ways. Including the novel one. Not admitting Bush lied, not admitting the US tortured, but pointing out the efficacy of torture.
And passed up the opportunity to regain some credibility. So did the others, but they haven't been so verbal in claiming to have been right.
And if one only honors the principles which are easy, which are convenient, one doesn't have principles. Sort of like Gingrich, or Limbaugh, and the Ten Commandments, regarding them as a smorgasbord, a buffet, where they can pick and choose as suits the moment. They are unprincipled. It sometimes costs to maintain principles.
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Flame » in reply to The only point I have gleaned from this thread was that this seems to be personal with you Bowser.
Wasn't rhetorical, wasn't directed at TB alone.
The whole thread (103 posts)
- The elephant in the living room.
- I'll side with TB on this one
- If Everbody's talking about it, then it cannot be 'The elephant in the living room.'
- re: The elephant in the living room.
- You know...
- PS Re: Animal Love (Pet owners do NOT read - oops that excludes the entire Zone!)
- Life 101...seriously
- "The more our society decays the more it turns to pets for pseudo unconditional love and affirmation."
- I love my puppy
- This is so pathetic
- SDAI needs to go to the vet to be fixed.
- You're one sick bastard (n/t)
- I am sorry SDAI said that to you Bowser. (n/t)
- re: You know...
- You should have left the dog out of it. (n/t)
- PS Re: Animal Love (Pet owners do NOT read - oops that excludes the entire Zone!)
- More like a big, smelly fish
- Cheney says torture's no big deal - we learned a few things!
- I guess there really was an Axis of Evil after all.
- More of a red herring than an elephant.
- "- - - live with the burden of knowing that we have plumbed the shallows of their credibility, honesty and integrity." (n/t)
- Distraction or not....it's important to our Zoners Tom... (n/t)
- My turn...
- I don't have a porch. Sniff. (n/t)
- re: My turn...
- "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - attributed to Churchill
- My turn...
- re: More of a red herring than an elephant. (you should be ashamed of yourself Tom)
- It's not Bush Derangement,
