To sum up:
A lot of people say that these techniques never work. This is not true. They do.
This doesn't change the difficult moral decisions that need to be made, but you don't get the easy out of assuming that the techniques are useless anyway, so why not forbid them?
If you take the "high ground" on this issue, you could be trading innocent lives for it. If we had taken the high ground back then, there would very likely be a hole in Los Angeles like the one in New York. That's not something to take lightly when deciding policy.
This doesn't make outlawing these interrogation methods the wrong decision. But it's not as cut and dried as people here have been pretending, and it's a decision that needs a lot more thought than they've been giving it.
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- The elephant in the living room.
- I'll side with TB on this one
- If Everbody's talking about it, then it cannot be 'The elephant in the living room.'
- re: The elephant in the living room.
- You know...
- PS Re: Animal Love (Pet owners do NOT read - oops that excludes the entire Zone!)
- Life 101...seriously
- "The more our society decays the more it turns to pets for pseudo unconditional love and affirmation."
- I love my puppy
- This is so pathetic
- SDAI needs to go to the vet to be fixed.
- You're one sick bastard (n/t)
- I am sorry SDAI said that to you Bowser. (n/t)
- re: You know...
- You should have left the dog out of it. (n/t)
- PS Re: Animal Love (Pet owners do NOT read - oops that excludes the entire Zone!)
- More like a big, smelly fish
- Cheney says torture's no big deal - we learned a few things!
- I guess there really was an Axis of Evil after all.
- More of a red herring than an elephant.
- "- - - live with the burden of knowing that we have plumbed the shallows of their credibility, honesty and integrity." (n/t)
- Distraction or not....it's important to our Zoners Tom... (n/t)
- My turn...
- I don't have a porch. Sniff. (n/t)
- re: My turn...
- "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - attributed to Churchill
- My turn...
- re: More of a red herring than an elephant. (you should be ashamed of yourself Tom)
- It's not Bush Derangement,
