re: Flap in California, or Nader's announcement . . . ?

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re: Flap in California, or Nader's announcement . . . ?

D. Spires — 2/24/2004 10:37:41 PM (archived)

Neither.

This was sparked by Dean and his "perfect" setup for gay unions in New Hampshire, and spurred with the announcement that Kerry's daughter is gay (pretty sure it was Kerry, anyway), and yet he opposes gay marriage.

The crux of the issue is that "marriage" is a religeious term, and most religions have something against gays. Therefore, gay marriages should be opposed. It's purely religious.

"Union" is a political term, and most forward-thinking democracies should have no qualms about gay unions, after all, even homosexuals vote.

The main issue, though, is whether a "union" should hold the same legal rights as a "marriage". Dean says yes, and I agree.

As for the prez, it was demanded that he do something about it. He did. The Dems, I think, will eventually buckle under the weight of this issue.

Dan

The whole thread (101 posts)

Gay marriage amendment - Tom Brosz - 2/24/2004 9:30:50 PM
- The Inconvenient Question, revisited - Tom Brosz - 2/26/2004 2:07:54 AM
  - re: The Inconvenient Question, revisited - gbaikie - 2/29/2004 12:08:32 AM
    - re: The Inconvenient Question, revisited - gbaikie - 2/29/2004 12:26:46 AM
  - OK, I'll bite - Fox - 2/27/2004 5:36:34 PM
  - The crux of that argument is polygamy - Mary Anne - 2/27/2004 4:56:05 PM
    - re: The crux of that argument - Tom Brosz - 2/27/2004 8:46:42 PM
      - I must have been unclear. - Mary Anne - 2/28/2004 2:04:55 AM
        
        There never were any pink triangles in America. There were black people being hung from trees. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 2/28/2004 7:02:37 AM
        
        OK. I guess you're tired. - Mary Anne - 2/28/2004 1:52:18 PM
        
        He may be tired, but I've yet begun to post! - Eleshiana's Tale - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/29/2004 3:29:05 AM
        
        "I've been amazed at the silence this post has received. It's either out of stunned silence, perhaps silent fury or out of personal pity for me that it sits their uncommented upon." - Mary Anne - 2/29/2004 4:16:30 AM
        
        Actually... - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/29/2004 5:22:19 AM
        
        Random jottings... - Tom Brosz - 2/29/2004 9:22:37 AM
        
        How things can be truly "random" - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/29/2004 1:29:20 PM
  - First liberals had trouble with what the meaning of "is" is, now they're having trouble with the meaning of marriage. - Lee - 2/26/2004 7:19:16 AM
- more to the point...... - Publius - 2/26/2004 12:19:55 AM
- A terrific error - Donald - 2/25/2004 4:00:40 PM
  - Your pov is one of Pres. Bush's greatest resources. - ebnelson - 2/26/2004 1:59:45 PM
  - re: Maybe not. - Tom Brosz - 2/25/2004 5:43:59 PM
- Huge. Huge. Mistake. - McFly - 2/25/2004 2:27:48 PM
  - What is intolerant is redefining marriage over the will of the people - ebnelson - 2/26/2004 2:09:10 PM
    - You're right: civil disobedience is no way to point out that a law is unjust. - Mary Anne - 2/27/2004 4:00:02 PM
      - Those pesky voters keep getting in the way - ebnelson - 2/28/2004 10:28:21 AM
        
        Equal treatment under the law is the civil right being discussed here. - Mary Anne - 2/28/2004 2:03:11 PM
        
        What is being imposed is a redefinition of marriage.. . - ebnelson - 3/1/2005 10:15:53 PM
        
        I keep hoping that someone will bring an equal treatment under the law argument about taxes before a court. - Lee - 2/29/2004 8:13:18 AM
        
        If the dictionary definition of marriage is the one agreed to, then it is not possible that it is an equal treatment issue - ebnelson - 2/28/2004 7:11:11 PM
      - Marriage process - Tom Brosz - 2/27/2004 10:04:42 PM
      - re: You're right - and, by the way . . . - Fox - 2/27/2004 4:28:53 PM
- I've explained this once or twice before... - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/25/2004 4:54:02 AM
  - Tip for Tech-one: Post AFTER you come down from the acid. (n/t) - Davin L. - 2/25/2004 6:57:13 PM
  - Once was more than enough - Donald - 2/25/2004 3:04:52 PM
    - One piece did strike a chord with me.... - Tony - 2/25/2004 3:10:58 PM
      - Hey you and Don can do whatever you like... - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/25/2004 4:43:42 PM
        
        You can't argue with that. - Bowser - 2/25/2004 6:30:39 PM
        
        I know, I know. dont know what came over me. :-) (n/t) - Tony - 2/25/2004 6:52:26 PM
        
        Oh please - Tony - 2/25/2004 6:14:50 PM
        
        You're at least right about one thing - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/25/2004 7:27:09 PM
        
        re: You're at least right about one thing - Tony - 2/25/2004 8:35:46 PM
        
        Narrow-minded cretin - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/25/2004 10:13:58 PM
        
        re: Narrow-minded cretin - Tony - 2/26/2004 3:02:24 PM
        
        Clarification and Technical Description - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/27/2004 5:43:02 AM
- What a coincidence!!! - Bowser - 2/25/2004 4:44:27 AM
  - Sullivan - Tom Brosz - 2/25/2004 5:01:35 AM
- The terrible price of freedom - m - 2/25/2004 3:38:38 AM
  - Do you know why divorce is so expensive? - Bowser - 2/25/2004 4:28:01 AM
    - Marriage is grand. Divorce is about 80 grand (n/t) - m - 2/25/2004 4:33:04 AM
- Those Christians again - - Bowser - 2/24/2004 11:59:18 PM
  - re: Those Christians - Tom Brosz - 2/25/2004 1:08:44 AM
    - No culture in Human history has allowed for same sex marriage. - Lee - 2/25/2004 6:28:09 AM
      - Lee, do you have to work hard at appearing this stupid? - R.L. - 2/26/2004 1:54:18 AM
        
        Your parasitic twin said something similar, no need to play the parrot. (n/t) - Lee - 2/26/2004 7:15:02 AM
      - You just can't get over this ignorance thing, can you? - Davin L. - 2/25/2004 7:08:32 PM
        
        Reach farther - ebnelson - 2/28/2004 10:31:37 AM
        
        Like you said, he was a trickster. - Lee - 2/26/2004 7:13:18 AM
        
        "Let's live like the primitives": Ben Franklin would agree. - Mary Anne - 2/27/2004 6:27:10 PM
        
        re: That was never your argument . . . - D. Spires - 2/27/2004 6:12:13 PM
        
        Since when did "homophobia" actually become a word? - Lee - 2/29/2004 8:35:36 AM
        
        re: Didn't mean to startle you X^D . . . (n/t) - D. Spires - 3/1/2004 9:39:53 PM
        
        re: Like you said, he was a trickster. - Davin L. - 2/27/2004 6:50:32 AM
        
        Yes, Oklahoma has a lot of sacred traditions... - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/25/2004 7:41:47 PM
        
        Oh, and by the way - Davin L. - 2/25/2004 8:32:11 PM
        
        still stinging from your numerous spankings here? - Davin L. - 2/25/2004 8:28:55 PM
        
        That was just my "acid" tongue - pay it no heed ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/25/2004 9:03:31 PM
        
        So you lick your own Derriere with your acid tongue? (n/t) - Davin L. - 2/25/2004 10:52:31 PM
        
        Now now Davin...don't be a judgmental intolerant cretin! (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/25/2004 11:31:23 PM
      - Interesting assertion. Can you back it up? - Odin - 2/25/2004 9:58:49 AM
    - One explanation of the difference. - Bowser - 2/25/2004 1:50:36 AM
      - re: One explanation - Tom Brosz - 2/25/2004 4:54:25 AM
        
        re: One explanation - Bowser - 2/25/2004 5:21:43 AM
        
        Genes - Tom Brosz - 2/25/2004 7:11:27 AM
        
        re: Genes - gbaikie - 2/26/2004 4:50:08 AM
        
        So I take it Madonna and Britney are genetic lesbians then? - Lee - 2/25/2004 8:05:43 PM
        
        re: Genes - Tony - 2/25/2004 3:16:52 PM
        
        PS - Bowser - 2/25/2004 5:32:39 AM
    - re: If you marry someone who's of legal age in one state . . . - D. spires - 2/25/2004 1:43:12 AM
- A BIG mistake. - David F Mayer - 2/24/2004 11:22:13 PM
  - re: ;^) . . . - D. Spires - 2/25/2004 12:48:01 AM
- re: Gay marriage amendment - Odin - 2/24/2004 11:16:19 PM
- re: Flap in California, or Nader's announcement . . . ? - D. Spires - 2/24/2004 10:37:41 PM
  - re: Flap - Fox - 2/25/2004 4:40:34 AM
    - re: "... the legal implications of two words ..." - D. Spires - 2/25/2004 9:39:27 PM
      - Equal protection - Fox - 2/26/2004 4:14:31 AM
        
        re: James Coburn . . . - D. Spires - 2/26/2004 6:00:09 PM
        
        re: "Palimony" - Fox - 2/27/2004 3:52:40 PM
        
        re: "Palimony" - Crissie Lane - 3/1/2005 5:05:38 AM
        
        Not that you are likely to read this, but - Tony - 3/1/2005 6:53:51 PM
        
        We've got to start watching what key words we use in headers. ;) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/1/2005 6:38:15 PM
        
        re: Alternative . . . - D. Spires - 2/27/2004 5:55:12 PM
        
        PS - re: "Marvin action" - Fox - 2/27/2004 4:19:28 PM
        
        re: Should be "looked upon", not "looked up" . . . (n/t) - D. spires - 2/26/2004 6:02:14 PM
    - re: Flap - Tom Brosz - 2/25/2004 5:05:42 AM
      - re: Disobedience - Fox - 2/26/2004 4:22:22 AM
        
        re: Disobedience - D. Spires - 2/27/2004 6:17:26 PM
        
        Loopholes - Fox - 2/27/2004 6:46:41 PM
        
        re: Disobedience - Tom Brosz - 2/27/2004 6:41:54 AM
  - re: Flap in California, or Nader's announcement . . . ? - gbaikie - 2/25/2004 12:27:42 AM
    - re: I doubt there was much of a gay vote in the old USSR . . . (n/t) - D. Spires - 2/25/2004 12:38:53 AM
  - No it's Dick Chenney's daughter who is gay, not Kerry's. (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 2/24/2004 11:00:30 PM
    - re: No it was reference to Gephardt's daughter, not Kerry's -- sorry . . . - D. Spires - 2/25/2004 12:44:13 AM

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