On the one hand invoking Socratic priciple.......

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On the one hand invoking Socratic priciple.......

Publius — 6/20/2006 2:05:49 PM (archived)

And on the other hand disregarding his best student, and the only source we have of knowing what Socrates said. Talk about rampant inconsistency!

In his "Republic" Plato advocated undemocratic rule by a meritocricy, an anti-capitalistic managed economy, free love for the elite, abandonment of the gold standard, abolishment of private property for the leaders (Guardians), and education of the children to be the common responsibility of the group.

While I greatly appreciated the wisdom of Socrates as applied to the immigration dispute, and I agree with the point the author is making, I also am aware this is one of the tides of history that not only can't be turned back; but already has engulfed us.

You do raise an interesting question though, can student be divorced from teacher? If so, then you and Tom have absolutely nothing to continue to complain about when you address public education and university academia. If not, and you agree with Socrates on the strict adherense to the rule of law even as it pertains to immigration policy, then you should both recognize your capitalism dogma is faulty and switch over to a managed economy, free love, and sell gold short on the commodities market.

Thanks for an illuminating post.

Publius

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Four Pillars of Socialist Revival - Tom Brosz - 6/18/2006 6:07:34 AM
- better target those Commie Christians as well - Daniel - 6/20/2006 5:10:56 PM
- What would Socrates do? - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/20/2006 4:20:33 AM
- The Pillar of Conservatism - Robert - 6/19/2006 9:05:28 PM
  - Why is it so hard to see the value of capitalism? - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/19/2006 9:25:44 PM
    - On the one hand invoking Socratic priciple....... - Publius - 6/20/2006 2:05:49 PM
      - Curious...........no Tom or Tech response? - Publius - 6/22/2006 1:00:41 PM
        
        Hey, I didn't bring up Socrates (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/22/2006 7:54:48 PM
    - The mote in your eye - Robert - 6/19/2006 9:42:44 PM
      - Sorry, I'm in MA defense mode. - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/19/2006 9:46:50 PM
  - Aw crap, damn HTML - Robert - 6/19/2006 9:06:32 PM
- The row at the bottom of your chart reminds me of renaissance artists' habit... - alcaray - 6/19/2006 5:42:39 PM
  - tho I can't figure out why they left out gay marriage and too lenient fines for rude language on tv. (n/t) - alcaray - 6/19/2006 9:08:07 PM
- I'm also amused by the change from "equality of opportunity" to "equality of outcome". - Mary Anne - 6/19/2006 12:44:42 PM
  - re: "equality of opportunity" - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2006 5:03:09 PM
    - Most heirs of millionaires didn't work for the money. - Mary Anne - 6/19/2006 8:20:18 PM
      - Didn't even click the link, did you? - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2006 11:00:44 PM
        
        No, I didn't. - Mary Anne - 6/20/2006 12:42:11 AM
        
        Wow. That's quite a day. - Tom Brosz - 6/20/2006 4:59:18 AM
        
        Double teaming MA sure is fun isn't it? ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/19/2006 11:23:33 PM
        
        Isn't it a pity that two of you *combined* don't measure up... (n/t) - Fox - 6/19/2006 11:27:49 PM
        
        I think our points are well received. (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/20/2006 1:55:29 AM
        
        By whom - each other? - Fox - 6/20/2006 2:41:16 AM
        
        Brer Fox you ken jus' kep yore thar Tar baby - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/20/2006 3:49:53 AM
        
        that is an utterly lame response to a damn good point (n/t) - Daniel - 6/20/2006 5:34:03 AM
        
        His point was a leftist Tar Baby. - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/20/2006 6:23:42 AM
        
        First to cry racism automatically loses? In this thread, you. (n/t) - Tony - 6/20/2006 6:31:39 PM
        
        Funny, I thought the 'controversial part being referenced' was: - Daniel - 6/20/2006 4:59:48 PM
        
        Germany and immigration - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/20/2006 9:47:10 PM
        
        "The folks mentioned above basically are saying that illegal foreigners have more rights than our citizens do - Tony - 6/21/2006 6:30:21 PM
        
        hah! (n/t) - alcaray - 6/22/2006 10:35:32 PM
        
        Sad thing is if I'm right, he wont be able to read it..... (n/t) - Tony - 6/23/2006 7:36:53 PM
        
        goes to show - - Daniel - 6/21/2006 5:09:04 AM
      - Ah sufferage and equal suffering. - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/19/2006 8:39:05 PM
- Very Broszesqe: Al Gore in the same league as Marx, Lenin, Mao and Terrorists - Buck Galaxy - 6/19/2006 7:48:08 AM
  - No, they were "successful" -and had some personal magnetism. (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/19/2006 9:34:41 PM
- 10 More Pillars of Socialist Revival - daniel - 6/19/2006 2:57:16 AM
  - I stand by my response on that one, too. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2006 4:00:07 AM
    - just clarifying my position - Daniel - 6/19/2006 5:28:44 PM
- Multiculturalism Is Evil! - Mary Anne - 6/18/2006 4:29:00 PM
  - Proper usage of discrimination. - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/19/2006 4:27:50 AM
    - Beethoven is very difficult. In contrast, rap is a bargain. (n/t) - alcaray - 6/19/2006 5:45:19 PM
    - Islam and not-Islam - Mary Anne - 6/19/2006 4:41:08 AM
      - Well let's get to the point... - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/19/2006 5:03:32 AM
  - Not even a good try. - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2006 2:21:05 AM
    - Baloney - Mary Anne - 6/19/2006 4:20:50 AM
      - re: Baloney - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2006 5:07:02 AM
        
        Parsing - Mary Anne - 6/19/2006 5:34:29 AM
        
        re: Parsing - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2006 7:19:14 AM
        
        I give you... the Salem Witch Trials. - Mary Anne - 6/19/2006 11:33:09 AM
        
        You notice you usually have to go back fifty to 200 years for your examples? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2006 11:02:26 PM
        
        I pick the big targets. - Mary Anne - 6/20/2006 12:59:18 AM
        
        Two can play that game. - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/19/2006 7:25:45 PM
        
        No one was burned at the stake or hung from a tree for any of those. - Mary Anne - 6/19/2006 8:18:43 PM
        
        Just give multiculturalism a little time. (& a discussion of morals) - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/19/2006 11:13:56 PM
        
        "Quick to kill and quick sexual readiness are the traits of the hunter/agrarian class." - Mary Anne - 6/20/2006 12:56:15 AM
        
        Would you like birthrate statistics to back that claim up? - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/20/2006 1:54:02 AM
        
        Would you like to provide the infant mortality statistics that go along with those? - Mary Anne - 6/20/2006 2:08:50 AM
        
        Oh horrors! A country club! - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/20/2006 4:00:46 AM
        
        Point of view - Mary Anne - 6/20/2006 11:18:40 AM
        
        To be fair, though... - Tom Brosz - 6/19/2006 7:52:12 PM
        
        but you are exaggerating the problem - FrankC - 6/19/2006 8:13:25 AM
  - re: Multiculturalism Is Evil! - ER - 6/18/2006 11:19:13 PM
  - clarification of "an argument we have had here": - Mary Anne - 6/18/2006 10:55:44 PM
  - Chinese restaurants and pizza parlors - FrankC - 6/18/2006 9:36:56 PM
    - Multiculturalism - Robert - 6/19/2006 6:04:49 PM
      - imposing our own - FrankC - 6/19/2006 7:10:51 PM
        
        Assimilation - Robert - 6/19/2006 8:51:24 PM
        
        you may have misundersood me - FrankC - 6/19/2006 10:07:15 PM
        
        re: you may have misundersood me - Robert - 6/19/2006 11:27:40 PM
        
        Big differences - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/19/2006 9:58:05 PM
        
        That ole-time bigotry - Robert - 6/20/2006 12:16:09 AM
        
        re: That ole-time common sense - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/20/2006 1:43:06 AM
        
        That ole-time bigotry - Robert - 6/21/2006 5:20:18 AM
    - You travel with people who define the word differently. - Mary Anne - 6/18/2006 10:29:15 PM
    - re: Chinese restaurants and pizza parlors - gbaikie - 6/18/2006 9:54:50 PM
      - re: Chinese restaurants and pizza parlors - Mary Anne - 6/18/2006 11:24:04 PM
        
        re: Chinese restaurants and pizza parlors - gbaikie - 6/19/2006 12:26:27 AM
  - A plague on both your houses. - ER - 6/18/2006 4:46:01 PM

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