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How to make America seem even worse - Limbaugh on torture of Iraqis: U.S. guards were "having a good time," "blow[ing] some steam off" - Bowser - 5/6/2004 12:12:17 AM
- Just more of our "Bring it on" attitude these days (n/t) - Art Martin - 5/6/2004 6:42:38 PM
- re: How to make America seem even worse - Limbaugh on torture of Iraqis: U.S. guards were "having a good time," "blow[ing] some steam off" - REB - 5/6/2004 1:55:48 PM
- WindBaugs an idiot - Justin Kelly - 5/6/2004 5:13:14 AM
  - Even kids are insensitive - Lindy - 5/6/2004 4:19:54 PM
    - re: Even kids are insensitive - Justin Kelly - 5/7/2004 5:19:20 AM
      - Not worth a reply - Lindy - 5/8/2004 7:01:31 AM
        
        responded to on flame. (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 5/8/2004 8:03:05 AM
    - Embellishment? - RobVG - 5/6/2004 6:09:13 PM
      - Found it. - RobVG - 5/6/2004 6:55:21 PM
        
        Don't have the link - Lindy - 5/6/2004 7:04:11 PM
        
        re: Don't have the link - RobV - 5/6/2004 7:26:50 PM
        
        Don't know how secret the report is... - alcaray - 5/6/2004 9:56:08 PM
        
        Ah, a little NaCl...thanks (n/t) - RobVG - 5/7/2004 1:35:04 AM
    - A couple of questions: - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 5:27:44 PM
- BTW, can we confine the word "torture" to something a little worse than humiliating someone? - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 12:29:40 AM
  - I suppose clubbing a prisoner to death with a rock isn't technically "torture". - Bowser - 5/6/2004 1:13:04 AM
    - Actually, it would be murder, unless the prisoner was attacking him. - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 1:47:59 AM
- re: How to make America seem even worse - Limbaugh on torture of Iraqis: U.S. guards were "having a good time," "blow[ing] some steam off" - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 12:27:28 AM
  - re: How to make America seem even worse - Limbaugh on torture of Iraqis: U.S. guards were "having a good time," "blow[ing] some steam off" (n/t) - Publius - 5/6/2004 9:25:37 PM
  - Right-wing wisdom from the oxycontin crowd! .....or, chemistry making conservatives compassionate. (n/t) - Publius - 5/6/2004 9:24:12 PM

R2I techniques. - Tom Brosz - 5/8/2004 7:40:50 AM

This is truly discouraging. - Bowser - 5/8/2004 2:41:26 AM
- Failure of leadership....no dicipline, no direction, where does the buck stop? - Publius - 5/8/2004 3:57:25 AM
  - Orders from the top..."no longer be bound by the Geneva Convention" - Nick - 5/8/2004 7:02:11 AM
    - SOMEONE has to be held accountable - Lindy - 5/8/2004 7:11:34 AM
  - Didn't you know? That's why they call 'em "Buck Sargeant". - Bowser - 5/8/2004 4:41:08 AM
- My blood boils when I hear of these things. This is not only unamerican, it's inhuman. - Nick - 5/8/2004 3:24:17 AM
  - "What goes around comes around" IS a Universal Law. - Bowser - 5/8/2004 4:00:44 AM
  - I also believe we have an unravelling gay problem in our military. Just like the catholic preist. Who would have imagined it? - Nick - 5/8/2004 3:40:54 AM
    - I don't think it's a gay problem in the military. - Bowser - 5/8/2004 3:55:49 AM

Acrobat version of military prison report - Tom Brosz - 5/8/2004 7:01:08 AM

Maybe we should spend more on education? - alcaray - 5/6/2004 5:59:26 PM
- How much more do you think is needed to address the issue? - Larry J - 5/6/2004 6:30:34 PM
  - Money not the problem. - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 6:47:50 PM
    - Maybe part of the solution would be to have teachers make science & engineering subjects more interesting to all. - Jacob Samorodin - 5/6/2004 8:59:49 PM
      - re: another part of the solution - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 10:01:35 PM
        
        "Any idiot can teach." Yes, you didn't say that. Yes, it was still implied. - Mary Anne - 5/7/2004 7:09:32 PM
        
        P.S. I should have mentioned that your first two paragraphs were a brilliant idea. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 11:38:19 PM
        
        I have no real argument with any of this. - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 11:36:17 PM
        
        Well, good! Re: tenure - Mary Anne - 5/8/2004 12:21:15 AM
        
        re: Re: tenure - Tom Brosz - 5/8/2004 12:51:48 AM
    - When it came time to put my daughter thru college, - alcaray - 5/6/2004 8:42:58 PM
      - freeking Alabama? - FrankC - 5/7/2004 1:42:58 PM
        
        A good deal of our space program is located in Alabama. - Lee - 5/8/2004 5:46:50 AM
      - Both, I drifted. - alcaray - 5/6/2004 9:42:14 PM
        
        Oops...I see. my fault. - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 9:58:59 PM
      - I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing K-12. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 8:56:43 PM

Rumsfeld testimony - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 4:46:04 PM
- When do you thinnk the CACI-IDF ties will be made ublic? - E.P. Grondine - 5/7/2004 9:38:53 PM
  - I think I agree with you. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/7/2004 11:30:16 PM
- It's possible for something good to come out of this. - Bowser - 5/7/2004 6:25:42 PM
  - If the CIA had not been "reined in," our recent history might have been different. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 6:55:30 PM
    - Might have sed there were no WMDs. Oh, that's right - they did. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/7/2004 8:21:01 PM
- Did you see where he said he accepts all responsibility in the matter? - REB - 5/7/2004 5:53:19 PM
- Is the ROW watching this hearing? - Rob - 5/7/2004 5:11:44 PM
  - I don't know. It's certainly being transmitted. Is anyone translating it? - Mary Anne - 5/8/2004 12:31:24 AM
- I think Kennedy is the only one (so far) that is trying to "Rip him a new one" (n/t) - RobVG - 5/7/2004 4:58:51 PM
  - How? He IS an old one. (I mean that with respect.) (n/t) - Bowser - 5/7/2004 8:23:41 PM

War crimes - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 6:54:00 PM
- "USA: Pattern of brutality and cruelty -- war crimes at Abu Ghraib" - Bowser - 5/7/2004 8:19:41 PM

288,000 new payroll jobs, unemployment rate down to 5.6 percent - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 1:54:34 PM
- "Oil Reaches $40 First Time Since Iraq Invaded Kuwait in 1990" - Bowser - 5/7/2004 7:15:08 PM
- Good news! (n/t) - alcaray - 5/7/2004 6:17:52 PM
- Interest rates will probably start going up soon - Larry J - 5/7/2004 3:56:21 PM

Argh...why can't we just leave people alone? - McFly - 5/7/2004 1:29:19 AM
- re: why can't we just leave people alone? - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 2:00:57 AM
  - touchÃ© (n/t) - McFly - 5/7/2004 2:01:47 PM
    - re: touchÃ© - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 4:25:45 PM
      - re: touchÃ© - REB - 5/7/2004 5:38:54 PM
    - Too-shay...geez, do I have to spell everything out (phonetically)? ;-) (n/t) - Muck-Fly - 5/7/2004 2:04:17 PM
      - And here I thought you were just being Shakespearean, Laertes... - Mary Anne - 5/7/2004 6:26:06 PM

Worldwide wave of revulsion - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 10:49:01 PM
- Is it too much to expect that we should hold ourselves to a high standard? - Mary Anne - 5/7/2004 5:04:45 PM
- It's an embarrasing day to call one's self an American today. - Derek - 5/7/2004 3:13:51 AM
  - if you want to be embarrased, go ahead, but speak for yourself (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 5/7/2004 4:30:02 AM
  - harrumph - FrankC - 5/7/2004 4:11:04 AM
    - C'mon Frank....lighten up. - Lindy - 5/7/2004 4:54:53 AM
      - There should have been a warning... - FrankC - 5/7/2004 1:46:00 PM
        
        Shooting the Messenger - Lindy - 5/7/2004 5:34:48 PM
- A story of rape in Lebanon during the Israeli occupation. - David F Mayer - 5/7/2004 1:59:16 AM
  - Citation, please. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 5/7/2004 5:06:31 PM

Google gets it right! - p - 5/7/2004 3:32:38 PM
- Ya did see the sponsored link right? - Tony - 5/7/2004 5:33:55 PM

Iran continues working on atomic bomb, U.N. threatens Serious Disapproval. - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 8:18:02 PM
- Now surely we can all agree that Iran is a threat with WMD! - Jacob Samorodin - 5/6/2004 8:39:51 PM
  - Heck, yes. Iran has oil. (Now what about North Korea - they have nukes!) - Bowser - 5/6/2004 9:17:24 PM
    - North Korea also has China backing them. - REB - 5/7/2004 2:55:09 PM
      - If the world made any sense, China would take out North Korea's regime. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 4:28:26 PM
        
        Why should China take out North Korea? The Middle Kingdom has always liked having vassals. - Mary Anne - 5/7/2004 5:17:24 PM
  - Surely to not strike and invade would be appeasement? (n/t) - Publius - 5/6/2004 9:15:13 PM

Another industry outsourced - p - 5/2/2004 1:25:11 PM
- Guess I Should Have Read The Post Before Replying ;-) - Mark Eby - 5/7/2004 4:50:42 PM
- Bush Tax Cuts In Action? - Mark Eby - 5/7/2004 4:47:58 PM

American's Prints Found on 3/11 Detonator Bag - REB - 5/7/2004 4:02:19 PM
- Remind me never to recycle my plastic shopping bags. - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 4:12:26 PM
  - Ya, but you haven't converted to Islam and you don't have any association to Al Queda. (n/t) - RobVG - 5/7/2004 4:36:45 PM

Georgia - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 5:38:41 PM
- If You Listen To NPR You Did (n/t) - Mark Eby - 5/7/2004 4:15:22 PM

Bin Laden Said to Offer Gold for Killings . . . - D. Spires - 5/6/2004 11:08:20 PM
- He must have meant "Gold for Fillings..." (n/t) - McFly - 5/7/2004 2:39:59 PM

Light at the end of the tunnel redux - DOnald - 5/5/2004 1:16:05 AM
- Need to turn it over to an Islamic multi-national force - E.P. Grondine - 5/5/2004 10:04:14 PM
  - Turks? Saudis? Kuwaitis? Iranians? Syrians? Pakastanis? Jordanians? Afganis? - alcaray - 5/5/2004 10:53:19 PM
    - Agree - N. Africa and Indonesia - E.P. Grondine - 5/7/2004 1:09:54 AM
- Didn't Cheney/bush say the US would go it alone? - Bowser - 5/5/2004 2:26:44 AM
- I say: The hell with Iraq. We got rid of Saddam's government. We searched for WMD. Now it is time to get out and let the Iraqis get back to their favorite sport. - David F Mayer - 5/5/2004 1:24:53 AM
  - Wow- you really learn from history, don't you? - R.L. - 5/5/2004 4:17:42 PM
    - Painful Truths - Lindy - 5/5/2004 5:21:48 PM
      - "Terrorism has been reproduced one hundred or one thousand times what it has been" - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 5:35:56 PM
    - Good point. - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 4:39:56 PM
  - I agree. The whole region is a giant powder keg about to flare. (n/t) - Nick - 5/5/2004 1:44:47 AM

Arab TV Shows New U.S. Hostage in Iraq . . . - D. Spires - 5/6/2004 11:11:17 PM

25 prisoners have died in custody - Donald - 5/5/2004 1:22:08 PM
- 25 prisoners have died in custody. Out of HOW MANY? - David F Mayer - 5/6/2004 8:46:42 PM
- Rumsfeld Stops Short of Direct Apology Over Abuses - Jack Herer - 5/5/2004 5:13:29 PM
  - re: Alleged abuses, Jack . . . - D. Spires - 5/5/2004 10:22:26 PM
    - The abuses are documented. They are no longer "alleged." - Mary Anne - 5/6/2004 10:34:49 AM
      - re: After trial . . . - D. Spires - 5/6/2004 10:17:31 PM
    - Please, no more snotty words about Saddam from you. - Bowser - 5/5/2004 11:43:53 PM
      - re: Down, B -- I'm speaking with people . . . (n/t) - D. Spires - 5/5/2004 11:48:45 PM
        
        I forgot, that's unusual for you. I'll back out, pay no attention. Go for it. You DA MAN. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/5/2004 11:58:36 PM
    - re: Alleged - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 11:11:28 PM
      - re: Of course . . . - D. Spires - 5/5/2004 11:44:58 PM
  - As though any amount of apologies would satisfy the Left. - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 5:26:27 PM
    - It ain't "the Left." - Bowser - 5/5/2004 5:53:47 PM
      - re: It ain't "the Left." - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 6:04:19 PM
        
        "Maybe you and Lindy should start your own board." - Lindy - 5/6/2004 4:51:42 PM
        
        No wonder. It's subtle, and there's a principle involved. - Bowser - 5/5/2004 7:10:12 PM
        
        You'd have to understand a command structure. And "systemic" is their word. - Bowser - 5/5/2004 7:01:17 PM

Does Iraq have $187 billion worth of "freedom"? 724 American dead worth? - Bowser - 5/6/2004 10:16:20 PM

North Korea continues pursuing long-range missiles - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 9:39:46 PM

Bush says "sorry" - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 6:34:56 PM
- Didn't think he had it in him. He done good. (n/t) - alcaray - 5/6/2004 8:32:29 PM
- Well, then, I guess the party's over, isn't it? - Bowser - 5/6/2004 7:18:50 PM
  - Now that I've calmed down a bit. - Bowser - 5/6/2004 7:24:49 PM
    - Magnanimous of you, Bowser...well said (n/t) - McFly - 5/6/2004 8:14:13 PM
- re: Bush says "sorry" - McFly - 5/6/2004 7:13:23 PM
  - re: Bush says "sorry" - REB - 5/6/2004 7:47:06 PM

CNN - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 4:20:12 AM
- More pics of naked Iraqi's. Do we have a gay problem in these prisons? - Jack Herer - 5/6/2004 1:27:04 PM
  - Seems to be a cultural thing - Larry J - 5/6/2004 2:19:33 PM
    - Dem Senator Calls for Rumsfeld to Resign...I second the motion. (n/t) - Jack Herer - 5/6/2004 4:44:31 PM
      - Not surprising - Larry J - 5/6/2004 5:39:00 PM
        
        Torture Report Classified SECRET??? - Jack Herer - 5/6/2004 6:27:13 PM
        
        re: Torture Report Classified SECRET??? - SDG - 5/6/2004 8:07:54 PM
        
        The definition of Secret... - Larry J - 5/6/2004 6:54:41 PM
      - For this? Too soon to tell, in my opinion. - alcaray - 5/6/2004 5:28:45 PM
        
        bungling post-invasion Iraq - FrankC - 5/6/2004 6:28:16 PM
    - And who's to blame? - Lindy - 5/6/2004 3:47:33 PM

U.N. Warns Oil-for-Food Companies on Documents - REB - 5/6/2004 6:43:14 PM

Greenspan cautioned against being lulled into a false sense of security about the deficit, - Bowser - 5/6/2004 6:12:38 PM

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