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European Union: I think we can see where this is going. - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 11:25:56 PM
- Sorta like the early US, or the US and the UN. - Bowser - 5/5/2004 11:53:03 PM
  - re: Sorta like the early US, or the US and the UN. - REB - 5/6/2004 2:13:33 PM

764 - Donald - 5/6/2004 2:04:40 PM

Meanwhile, back at people getting hurt and killed by the poor insurgents - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 5:05:03 AM

More detail from the military report on prisoner abuses. - Bowser - 5/1/2004 1:21:19 PM
- When you let loose the dogs of war, don't be surprised if a few acquire blood lust. - Lee - 5/2/2004 3:09:31 AM
  - re: When you let loose the dogs of war, don't be surprised if a few acquire blood lust. - Bill - 5/6/2004 3:09:59 AM
  - The top dogs of war is our upper administration pretending to be peacemakers and getting away with it. (n/t) - Nick - 5/2/2004 3:33:26 AM
  - Those are just the ones who were caught...the tip of the iceberg, sicko - Nick - 5/2/2004 3:22:15 AM
- re: More detail - Tom Brosz - 5/1/2004 10:28:06 PM
- Pics of soldiers raping an Iraqi woman. - Nick - 5/1/2004 9:57:23 PM
  - Those particular shots are fakes. - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 4:33:26 AM
  - re: Pics of soldiers raping an Iraqi woman. - Bill - 5/6/2004 3:09:20 AM
  - Bush as a "Compassionate Conservative" out to win the "hearts and minds" of the Iraqi people - Lindy - 5/2/2004 6:15:31 PM
    - Arabs inflamed now? What were they before? - Tom Brosz - 5/2/2004 7:52:17 PM
- Shock, Outrage Over Prison Photos . . . - D. Spires - 5/1/2004 5:20:40 PM
  - Investigate my aching ass. The "investigation" was in Feb. Read "coverup". - Bowser - 5/1/2004 6:38:54 PM
    - re: Yes -- your ass . . . - D. Spires - 5/1/2004 8:17:44 PM
- lest we forget, today is "National Loyalty Day".... - Publius - 5/1/2004 3:36:30 PM
  - Let's see what "they" try to replace "under God" with. - Bowser - 5/1/2004 6:56:29 PM
    - how about, ".......to the Republicans, for which it stands." (n/t) - Publius - 5/2/2004 12:38:21 PM
  - "National Loyalty Day".... - Lindy - 5/1/2004 6:49:07 PM

Geneva Convention - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 4:17:18 AM

Anecdotal reporting again? - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 9:26:43 PM
- re: Interestingly enough, there is some evidence against this one . . . - D. Spires - 5/6/2004 12:14:55 AM
  - The hard part has been making sure all the troops get the armored donkey harnesses. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 1:49:17 AM
- How would an American who thought he was supposed to soften up a 70 year old woman for interrogation, do so? - alcaray - 5/5/2004 10:46:41 PM
  - "I would not dismiss it on the grounds that Iraqis are liars though." I would. - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 11:05:14 PM
    - You don't get it. The problem is what they did, not the press. Not reporting it, but WHAT THEY DID. - Bowser - 5/5/2004 11:40:51 PM
    - Lessee. WMD, not a quagmire, pay for their own reconstruction, bringing democracy, etc., etc. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/5/2004 11:31:45 PM
- I don't think I believe that one. - Bowser - 5/5/2004 10:32:16 PM

Sudden concern over prisons in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 5/4/2004 6:41:44 PM
- "George Bush as Saddam Hussein" - Bowser - 5/5/2004 1:58:23 PM
  - I never said there would be a shortage of such idiots. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 3:30:37 PM
- Are we ready for this? - FrankC - 5/5/2004 6:08:12 AM
  - I think that's called adding insult to injury. - Bowser - 5/5/2004 11:29:22 PM
    - Didn't copy it - FrankC - 5/6/2004 1:34:48 AM
  - You're braver than I am. I posted that link on the Flame Board. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 6:44:57 PM
- Who was the idiot that took the pictures? - Lee - 5/5/2004 2:56:32 AM
  - It does make you wonder what kind of scrapbook those pics were headed for. (n/t) - McFly - 5/5/2004 6:29:14 PM
- The problem here... - Donald - 5/5/2004 1:21:26 AM
- re: Sudden concern over prisons in Iraq - McFly - 5/4/2004 9:18:50 PM
  - What a gift we have given our enemies - Buck Galaxy - 5/4/2004 9:27:49 PM
- And, from the "She turned me into a newt!" department: - Tom Brosz - 5/4/2004 6:53:33 PM
  - re: And, from the "She turned me into a newt!" department: - alcaray - 5/4/2004 8:26:14 PM
    - Responsible reporting - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 12:08:42 AM
      - Kill the messenger. That's the problem, the messenger. - Bowser - 5/5/2004 2:19:40 AM
        
        Dammit Bowser - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 2:53:37 AM
        
        Is it political, or is it a business decision? - McFly - 5/5/2004 1:32:22 PM
        
        Some business. Mostly political. - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 3:42:51 PM
        
        It is a business decision. Look at how they report NASA stories. - REB - 5/5/2004 2:39:53 PM
        
        rI think you and McFly are confusing "the media" with "the media consumers" - alcaray - 5/5/2004 3:35:04 PM
        
        Excellent point - McFly - 5/5/2004 4:31:04 PM
        
        Media and the market - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 4:57:42 PM
        
        Thanks - McFly - 5/5/2004 5:37:34 PM
        
        The press will go after whoever is in office. - REB - 5/5/2004 6:20:09 PM
        
        re: Media and the market - REB - 5/5/2004 5:22:51 PM
        
        Bob Woodward is a Republican - alcaray - 5/5/2004 5:30:01 PM
        
        re: Bob Woodward is a Republican - REB - 5/5/2004 6:05:20 PM
        
        The Watergate investigation remains a hallmark of investigative reporting - alcaray - 5/5/2004 6:15:34 PM
        
        re: The Watergate investigation remains a hallmark of investigative reporting - REB - 5/5/2004 6:40:38 PM
        
        Good insights...thanks REB (n/t) - McFly - 5/5/2004 8:05:07 PM
        
        Thanks McFly. I was afraid I was just ranting :) - REB - 5/5/2004 8:41:01 PM
  - "they haven't even changed the script". It's the reporting which is at fault? - Bowser - 5/4/2004 7:30:44 PM
    - Another Beauty..... - Lindy - 5/5/2004 4:37:30 AM

British abuse story beginning to fold up? - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 12:13:36 AM

Moral equivalence at the United Nations - Tom Brosz - 5/6/2004 12:02:57 AM

Michael Moore: Disney Blocks Distribution of Film . . . - D. Spires - 5/5/2004 11:36:31 PM
- Already a thread on this on the Flame Board - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 11:49:15 PM

Outwaiting Sadr. - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 4:55:45 AM
- On the other hand, in two other cities... - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 11:40:18 PM
- "Appeasement"? - Bowser - 5/5/2004 5:39:15 PM
  - re: "Appeasement"? - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 5:50:47 PM
    - Disgression, sometimes, the better part of valor? - Bowser - 5/5/2004 6:54:46 PM
      - Geniuses or screwups? - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 7:09:12 PM
- Hopefully good news - FrankC - 5/5/2004 5:40:29 AM
  - And in the New York Times, no less! - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 3:12:59 PM

Chronology of the prison abuse case - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 11:32:20 PM

Made-to-Order Babies Prompt Ethics Debate . . . - D. Spires - 5/5/2004 11:13:27 PM

U.S. Reveals Iraqi Prisoner Deaths as Scandal Grows . . . - D. Spires - 5/4/2004 10:33:56 PM
- Text of U.S. Army report on Iraqi prisoner abuse - Tom Brosz - 5/4/2004 11:58:00 PM
  - Ugh. Nasty stuff in here. - alcaray - 5/5/2004 5:25:11 PM
    - re: Other stuff in there, too. - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 5:47:48 PM
      - Is it too much to expect good behavior? Attention to duty? - Bowser - 5/5/2004 7:51:58 PM
        
        Okay, now you're getting weird. - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 9:23:59 PM
      - re: Other stuff in there, too. - alcaray - 5/5/2004 6:07:19 PM
  - Not to worry - neither Rumsfeld, Myers nor Kimmitt claim to have read it. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/5/2004 12:54:49 AM
    - re: Yes, not to worry, B . . . - D. Spires - 5/5/2004 2:12:06 AM

"Bush Economy" update. - Tom Brosz - 5/4/2004 3:53:56 PM
- President's effect on the economy - Art Martin - 5/4/2004 10:03:57 PM
  - True - Larry J - 5/5/2004 6:37:44 PM
- Easy, steady. There IS a dragon in the closet, AND something under the bed. - Bowser - 5/4/2004 4:46:00 PM
  - re: something under the bed - Tom Brosz - 5/4/2004 5:35:44 PM
    - re: something under the bed - Bowser - 5/4/2004 5:58:03 PM
- Another article on this - Tom Brosz - 5/4/2004 4:22:56 PM

Taliban kill 14 people - Success_Machine - 5/4/2004 11:11:01 PM
- The Tora Bora mountains battle may come back to haunt the Pentagon. - Jacob Samorodin - 5/5/2004 4:08:38 PM
  - re: The Tora Bora mountains battle - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 4:32:45 PM

"Well, It Was a Good Idea in '46" - Tom Brosz - 5/3/2004 7:00:37 AM
- re: "Well, It Was a Good Idea in '46" - Art Martin - 5/4/2004 11:18:36 PM
  - P.S. - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 3:59:20 PM
  - Japan - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 3:53:53 PM
  - The primary issue in going to war needs to be what the eventual outcome will be - FrankC - 5/5/2004 3:46:16 PM
- For decent people there's a difference between invading a country without provovation and pounding the hell out of the citizenry, - Bowser - 5/3/2004 4:24:52 PM
  - "Self defense" - Tom Brosz - 5/3/2004 4:35:19 PM
    - A one, and a-two and a-three and a-four and a-five. - Bowser - 5/3/2004 5:00:22 PM
      - re: A one, and a-two - Tom Brosz - 5/3/2004 5:18:28 PM
        
        re: The shame - Raoul - 5/3/2004 9:53:09 PM
        
        Incapable of experiencing shame, R. - Bowser - 5/4/2004 3:19:47 AM
        
        re: The shame - Tom Brosz - 5/3/2004 10:12:42 PM
        
        re: The shame - REB - 5/4/2004 1:59:40 PM
        
        Was the US bombing 60% of Iraq at will before the aggression? - Bowser - 5/3/2004 5:26:34 PM
- Larry Miller is a contributing HUMORIST to The Daily Standard and a WRITER, ACTOR, and COMEDIAN living in Los Angeles. - McFly - 5/3/2004 1:07:33 PM
  - So is Al Franken. What's your point? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/3/2004 4:11:31 PM
    - When was the last time you saw Franken quoted here as if he were some sort of insightful political guru, with an admonishment to the board to "Read the rest" as if without such coaching we'd only loo… - McFly - 5/3/2004 5:14:55 PM
      - Then there was Will Rogers and Mark Twain - FrankC - 5/3/2004 10:17:48 PM
        
        re: Mark Twain - Tom Brosz - 5/3/2004 11:54:31 PM
        
        re: Mark Twain - Mary Anne - 5/4/2004 12:31:33 AM
        
        Now there's a gotcha - FrankC - 5/4/2004 12:55:46 AM
      - re: pretty pictures - Tom Brosz - 5/3/2004 8:16:13 PM
        
        Gotcha :-) - McFly - 5/4/2004 12:46:51 AM
        
        No problem. "I knew the job was dangerous when I took it." ;) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/4/2004 1:20:10 AM

From the "People Have The Right To Know" Department: - Tom Brosz - 5/3/2004 6:23:40 PM
- Are you kidding, Brokaw would love to show it, if he had it. - alcaray - 5/4/2004 9:14:01 PM
- Whatcha wanna bet the rocket attacks on apartments and shopping centers are videotaped, too. - Bowser - 5/4/2004 2:12:12 AM
  - Just out of curiosity, can anything other than the U.S. and Israel piss you off? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/4/2004 5:16:12 AM
    - Take a look at this - FrankC - 5/4/2004 5:44:26 AM
      - And another, more recent offering from the same website - Mary Anne - 5/4/2004 1:15:19 PM
        
        re: And another, more recent offering from the same website - Joe - 5/5/2004 3:30:56 PM
        
        Well... - FrankC - 5/4/2004 3:46:19 PM
    - Sure. When Saddam drained the marshes, I wrote my Senator. - Bowser - 5/4/2004 5:38:49 AM
      - Oh, BTW, exactly what were you expecting your Senator to do about it? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/4/2004 7:20:06 PM
      - re: When Saddam drained the marshes, I wrote my Senator. - Tom Brosz - 5/4/2004 5:59:40 AM
      - Every Once in a While....... - Lindy - 5/4/2004 5:56:34 AM

FYI - "Admonish" - Bowser - 5/5/2004 12:53:26 AM
- FYI - "Reprove" - McFly - 5/5/2004 1:48:17 PM

Should USA buy Israeli mini-drones for use in Iraq? - David F Mayer - 5/3/2004 10:09:48 PM
- no, we're making our own 15-16cm drones. . . - Justin Kelly - 5/4/2004 4:41:41 AM
  - Brief articles, some with QT clips, on what's in the works. - Bowser - 5/5/2004 4:48:39 AM
  - Well, why don't we protect our soldiers by using these drones? (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/4/2004 8:12:45 PM
    - Realities of logistics. . . - Justin Kelly - 5/5/2004 2:52:42 AM
- Only if it's such a deal they would not give their own mothers (n/t) - p - 5/4/2004 1:42:09 AM

Uhhh - E.P. Grondine - 5/4/2004 10:12:26 PM
- re: Once again . . . - D. Spires - 5/4/2004 10:40:46 PM
  - Well, well, well. - Bowser - 5/5/2004 1:07:55 AM

The Apache helicopter footage making the rounds again - Tom Brosz - 5/5/2004 12:58:06 AM

George Will Nails It Again - Donald - 5/4/2004 4:47:48 AM
- Any democratically elected Iraqi gov will oppose Israeli expandions - E.P. Grondine - 5/4/2004 9:58:59 PM
- He almost "stuck it". Sorta flinched at the landing. - Bowser - 5/4/2004 5:45:38 AM
  - Have to agree - Donald - 5/4/2004 1:16:24 PM

Amir Taheri: What to do in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 5/4/2004 5:45:08 PM
- re: Mistakes..... - Raoul - 5/4/2004 8:20:16 PM

Several years after the revolution... - alcaray - 5/4/2004 5:50:14 PM

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