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Kerry Buyer's Remorse Department: - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 7:51:29 PM
- Sounds as if the Rs are worried. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/8/2004 2:42:45 AM
- So he's doing a Specter - Tony - 5/7/2004 8:36:51 PM
  - re: So he's doing a Specter - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 10:12:59 PM
    - he is true to his own vision and ideas - Tony - 5/8/2004 2:02:02 AM
      - didn't think so (n/t) - Tony - 5/10/2004 1:10:25 PM

$160 billion + (breaking a promise) $25 billion = $185 billion so far. - Bowser - 5/10/2004 1:54:46 AM
- More like $75 Billion dollars more........ - Lindy - 5/10/2004 4:02:48 AM

Cost of the Iraq war: $150 billion - Nick - 5/10/2004 12:33:04 AM
- Now Nick, don't go pickin on George...... - Lindy - 5/10/2004 3:46:41 AM

The Misunderestimated Man . . . - D. Spires - 5/10/2004 2:17:56 AM

"I take full responsibility," said Donald Rumsfeld - Bowser - 5/9/2004 5:44:49 PM
- re: Just as Bush takes complete responsibility for the state of the nation Clinton handed him . . . (n/t) - D. Spires - 5/9/2004 6:17:51 PM
  - Give it a break, Dan........ - Lindy - 5/9/2004 6:47:49 PM
    - re: Seems I have no choice but to give it a break for many . . . - D. Spires - 5/9/2004 9:07:52 PM
      - Can you refute any of the points, or is your post just BS? (n/t) - Bowser - 5/9/2004 11:41:46 PM
        
        re: Yes, and no . . . - D. Spires - 5/10/2004 2:14:48 AM

The 10 Commandments of war propaganda - Raoul - 5/9/2004 3:38:18 PM
- WOW! That is fascinating. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/9/2004 11:50:12 PM

Judge Orders N.Y. Couple Not to Conceive . . . - D. Spires - 5/9/2004 2:00:13 AM
- How do you enforce it? - R.L. - 5/9/2004 1:38:00 PM
- Somehow, some way, this doesn't offend me. - Bowser - 5/9/2004 12:13:40 PM
  - But would you be offended... - m - 5/9/2004 7:15:50 PM
    - THAT WOULD BE BLATANT DISCRIMINATION!! - Bowser - 5/9/2004 11:38:06 PM

More from IRAQ THE MODEL - gbaikie - 5/9/2004 10:23:22 PM

ICC - Raoul - 5/9/2004 10:14:10 PM

General 'Guarantees' Protection Under Geneva Conventions . . . - D. Spires - 5/9/2004 6:13:39 PM
- Court-Martial Set in Iraqi Prison Scandal . . . - D. Spires - 5/9/2004 9:22:57 PM

More Bad News May Be on the Way for Bush . . . - D. Spires - 5/9/2004 5:29:04 PM
- Thanks for the photos! This is shaping up as our best recruitment month this year! (n/t) - Osama bin Laden - 5/9/2004 9:15:28 PM

Releasing the photos - Tom Brosz - 5/9/2004 4:05:37 AM
- re: accessory after the fact - Mary Anne - 5/9/2004 3:58:03 PM
  - Military prisons have long been nototrious - Gary - 5/9/2004 6:28:51 PM
- Coming from people who regard honoring America's dead warriors as unpatriotic, - Bowser - 5/9/2004 4:26:39 AM

HONOR AND SHAME IN A MIDDLE EASTERN SETTING - David F Mayer - 5/9/2004 4:42:20 PM

Undertrained and overwhelmed - Donald - 5/9/2004 3:45:02 PM
- "Insurgents" are running the prison - Lindy - 5/9/2004 4:25:05 PM
- The disastrous twin failures of the president's men - Donald - 5/9/2004 3:48:51 PM
  - Meanwhile... - Donald - 5/9/2004 3:51:45 PM

Bush" "Tries desperately to distance himself from atrocities. But bottom line, it's his war. We've lost the high ground." - Bowser - 5/9/2004 1:33:28 PM
- Predictably, a scapegoat has been found ..... - Publius - 5/9/2004 3:35:47 PM

A few things in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 5/9/2004 3:58:33 AM
- Can our current culture handle that? - FrankC - 5/9/2004 4:47:21 AM
- What happened to "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"? - Bowser - 5/9/2004 4:32:06 AM
  - Saddam Toppled; The Aircraft Carrier and its crew finished thier mission. (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 5/9/2004 5:26:58 AM
    - Even Karl Rove has give up on the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" nonsense. - Bowser - 5/9/2004 12:08:35 PM
    - Not worth the effort, Justin. - Tom Brosz - 5/9/2004 5:33:40 AM
      - Frustrating, isn't it. 1 + 1 = 2, no matter how often one claims 3, or 1, or that it doesn't matter. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/9/2004 12:10:33 PM
        
        No, Frustrating like fighting the Black Knight in Monty Pythons Holy Grail (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 5/9/2004 2:52:26 PM

Dissension Grows In Senior Ranks On War Strategy - Get rid of Rumsfeld - Bowser - 5/9/2004 1:15:41 PM

White House Officials Call for Renewal of Anti-Terrorism Law . . . - D. Spires - 5/8/2004 11:19:10 PM
- thereby allowing the same lack of accountability as exists in the Iraqi prison system. - Bowser - 5/9/2004 12:20:57 PM

Decisions - Raoul - 5/8/2004 10:55:34 AM
- Judgements - SteveS - 5/8/2004 2:01:19 PM
  - re: Judgements - Raoul - 5/8/2004 3:49:06 PM
    - re: Judgements - SteveS - 5/9/2004 5:06:43 AM
      - re: Europeans - Raoul - 5/9/2004 9:53:13 AM
      - Isolationism - Tom Brosz - 5/9/2004 5:40:29 AM
    - Judgments. - Tom Brosz - 5/8/2004 6:09:08 PM
      - re: lessons from the past - Raoul - 5/8/2004 10:01:13 PM
        
        re: There are no 'lessons from the past' . . . - D. Spires - 5/8/2004 10:18:29 PM

Rumsfeld: Unreleased Images 'Cruel and Inhuman' . . . - D. Spires - 5/8/2004 3:42:58 PM
- CNN voting results: 70% want Rumsfeld out. - Nick - 5/8/2004 4:05:00 PM
  - Nice try. Too bad the truth is the exact opposite. - Tom Brosz - 5/8/2004 8:25:32 PM
  - re: CinC voting results: 100% want Rumsfeld in . . . - D. Spires - 5/8/2004 6:42:14 PM
  - Keep Rumsfeld. Fire the Commander-In-Chief....... - Publius - 5/8/2004 5:26:38 PM
    - SOMEONE made the decisions to act like animals in this "war" - Lindy - 5/8/2004 6:55:16 PM
      - re: SOMEONE made the decisions to act like animals in this "war" - D. Spires - 5/8/2004 7:49:08 PM
- Abu Ghraib Prison was Notorious Before American Mistreatment of Iraqis . . . - D. Spires - 5/8/2004 3:57:45 PM
  - Never mind, Dan. - Tom Brosz - 5/8/2004 6:27:13 PM
    - Their reaction... - FrankC - 5/9/2004 4:23:40 AM
    - re: . . . apparently . . . - D. Spires - 5/8/2004 7:46:23 PM
    - Bloodlust? - Lindy - 5/8/2004 6:43:08 PM
      - "We, of similiar outrage, who object to the bloodlust on all sides of this 'war'??" - Tom Brosz - 5/8/2004 7:39:51 PM
  - no excuse.....the ends do not justify the means. - Publius - 5/8/2004 5:36:30 PM
    - re: Whatever are you blathering about now . . . ? - D. Spires - 5/8/2004 6:56:54 PM

Some Iraqi opinions on the prison issue - Tom Brosz - 5/8/2004 8:13:51 PM
- Bottom line: the path to the Iraqis' hearts and minds does not run through their electrified genitals - m - 5/8/2004 10:53:33 PM
  - re: Bottom line: the path to the Iraqis' hearts and minds does not run through their electrified genitals - gbaikie - 5/9/2004 1:26:46 AM
- Commander: No Plans to Close Abu Ghraib . . . - D. Spires - 5/8/2004 10:09:39 PM

Destroying a City to Save It - Lindy - 5/7/2004 4:42:10 AM
- re: Destroying a City to Save It - RobVG - 5/7/2004 3:02:56 PM
  - Anti-aircraft guns and grenade launchers - Lindy - 5/7/2004 5:44:50 PM
    - Thinking. - RobVG - 5/7/2004 6:44:55 PM
      - We're from different worlds - Lindy - 5/8/2004 6:53:27 AM
        
        Noted (n/t) - RobVG - 5/8/2004 8:57:20 PM
        
        re: We're from different worlds - Tom Brosz - 5/8/2004 7:10:05 AM
  - Ambulances - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 4:17:55 PM
- re: Destroying a City to Save It - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 5:35:36 AM

We have become what we said we fought - R.L. - 5/3/2004 5:01:40 AM
- re: We have become what we said we fought - mparker - 5/8/2004 4:45:16 PM
  - re: No . . . - D. Spires - 5/8/2004 7:57:48 PM
  - The photos weren't part of the military reports. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/8/2004 6:32:30 PM
- re: We have become what we said we fought - gbaikie - 5/4/2004 8:13:29 PM
- re: Then you appear to have no idea what we're really up against, R.L. . . . - D. Spires - 5/4/2004 3:31:18 AM
  - re: "The enemy we fight would have cheered..." - Tom Brosz - 5/4/2004 6:17:30 AM
- Last week, this week - Larry J - 5/3/2004 7:27:39 PM
- How we R Safer!~ - CARL - 5/3/2004 3:36:22 PM
  - Fair fight? - Howzat - 5/3/2004 9:09:07 PM
    - Not a bad idea - FrankC - 5/4/2004 12:22:50 AM
      - Never make it into uniform...... - carl - 5/4/2004 8:49:36 PM
- The widening prison-abuse scandal in Iraq - John - 5/3/2004 12:08:59 PM
- only in your head (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 5/3/2004 6:17:44 AM
  - How are we safer? - R.L. - 5/3/2004 12:50:32 PM
  - IT IS INTERESTING... - R.L. - 5/3/2004 12:37:56 PM
    - that one possibility, but theres another. . . I'll let you figure it out since youa re so 'interested' (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 5/4/2004 12:08:10 AM
- re: We have become what we said we fought - Tom Brosz - 5/3/2004 5:48:35 AM
  - stop allowing yourself to being polarized ........ - Publius - 5/3/2004 1:45:06 PM
  - I am curious... - R.L. - 5/3/2004 12:29:09 PM
    - re: I am curious... - Tom Brosz - 5/3/2004 5:00:46 PM

"Patriot Act", Cheney/bush and torture? - Bowser - 5/8/2004 3:44:26 PM

Anyone think that war isn't lost? "What 'lowering our sights' in Iraq really means" - Bowser - 5/7/2004 10:33:02 PM
- Ah. the "Saddam general" again. - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 11:27:05 PM
  - re: Proofs - Raoul - 5/8/2004 9:25:17 AM
  - He been cleaned up, brushed, powdered, fluffed. Same Republican Guard uniform, though. - Bowser - 5/7/2004 11:36:28 PM

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