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USA wins big against Sadr, to disband militia - David F Mayer - 5/12/2004 12:45:47 PM

Fantastical Occupation - Donald - 5/12/2004 5:15:28 AM

The Stanford Prison Experiment - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 4:59:25 PM
- No matter how high we've evolved, we're all still just glorified chimps (n/t) - m - 5/12/2004 1:30:08 AM
  - Sad, but TRUE! (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/12/2004 1:46:31 AM
- Great read - FrankC - 5/11/2004 7:08:51 PM
- re: The Stanford Prison Experiment - SDG - 5/11/2004 6:54:03 PM

Red Cross report - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 7:05:27 AM
- "a consistent pattern" - Robert - 5/11/2004 6:42:19 PM
  - re: "a consistent pattern" - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 7:27:27 PM
    - re: "a consistent pattern" - Robert - 5/11/2004 8:21:50 PM
      - "They are the enemy" - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 9:04:16 PM
        
        Misunderstanding - Robert - 5/11/2004 10:18:21 PM
        
        re: Misunderstanding - Tom Brosz - 5/12/2004 12:45:13 AM

Deconstructing Hillary Rodham Clinton - David F Mayer - 5/10/2004 5:39:46 AM
- re: Deconstructing Hillary Rodham Clinton - Art Martin - 5/11/2004 11:57:35 PM
- HRC's evolution towards hawkish positions on national defense is...interesting - m - 5/10/2004 10:46:58 PM
  - Democrats always don elephant ears after the primaries and before the elections. Watch Kerry. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 12:41:47 AM

Ukrainian police seize 357 pounds of radioactive Cesium-137 - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 5:44:26 AM
- The problem with a dirty bomb: - David F Mayer - 5/9/2004 4:42:29 AM
  - re: The problem with a dirty bomb: - Tom Brosz - 5/9/2004 4:48:32 AM
    - Agreed - R.L. - 5/9/2004 6:00:26 PM
      - re: Agreed - Tom Brosz - 5/10/2004 12:57:11 AM
        
        "Ironically, nuclear power is probably the best short-term practical solution to reducing fossil-fuel CO2 contributions to the atmosphere." Wrong - David F Mayer - 5/11/2004 8:31:56 PM
        
        P.S. - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 9:13:43 PM
        
        The new luddites will attempt to shut down ANY source of electric power, or anything else either. - David F Mayer - 5/11/2004 10:11:40 PM
        
        Sea power - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 9:11:15 PM
        
        It will soon be cheaper to generate electric power in the Gulf of Mexico using Sea Solar Power and sell it in the Northeast than - David F Mayer - 5/11/2004 10:09:58 PM
- Slight misunderstanding here. - David F Mayer - 5/7/2004 8:01:49 AM
- SOMETING FISHY HERE - R.L. - 5/7/2004 8:01:14 AM
  - You and David make a good point. - Tom Brosz - 5/7/2004 1:48:02 PM
- case study of the release of a far smaller amount - R.L. - 5/7/2004 7:44:41 AM

Bush is caught in another lie to the American people and the World. - Nick - 5/10/2004 1:35:24 PM
- Bush to Rumsfled:You are doing a superb job...our nation owes you a debt of gratitude" - Nick - 5/10/2004 4:17:37 PM
  - Kind of makes you wonder... - Tom Brosz - 5/10/2004 5:14:26 PM
    - re: Kind of makes you wonder... - Art Martin - 5/11/2004 5:22:35 PM
    - Ah, reality, again. Bush IS President, Rumsfeld IS SecDef. - Bowser - 5/10/2004 6:26:42 PM
      - Exploring alternatives - Tom Brosz - 5/10/2004 8:00:44 PM
        
        re: Exploring alternatives - Art Martin - 5/11/2004 5:32:51 PM
        
        Motivations - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 6:54:23 PM
        
        re: Motivations - Art Martin - 5/11/2004 9:28:44 PM
        
        re: Exploring alternatives - Raoul - 5/10/2004 9:42:40 PM
        
        "The French have much better and longer lasting access to the Arab cultures" - Tom Brosz - 5/10/2004 10:32:19 PM
        
        No kidding, by 2050 they'll be an Arab country. (n/t) - Lee - 5/11/2004 2:37:29 AM
    - re: Beliefs and certainties - Raoul - 5/10/2004 6:11:00 PM
  - And he's the person who started this by refuting the Geneva Convention. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/10/2004 4:34:53 PM

Responsibility for abuse goes in a direct line down from, and up to, Rumsfeld. - Bowser - 5/9/2004 4:24:45 AM
- Nothing exposes how shallow your concern is like blaming this outrage on Rumsfeld (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 5/9/2004 5:30:05 AM
  - To all three of you. . . - Justin Kelly - 5/9/2004 2:46:11 PM
    - re: Mind your blood pressure, J . . . - D. Spires - 5/9/2004 6:32:24 PM
      - Congratulations Dan - Tony - 5/10/2004 4:21:40 PM
        
        re: Why, thank you, Tony . . . - D. Spires - 5/11/2004 1:54:43 AM
        
        You are getting mean in your old age - alcaray - 5/11/2004 4:02:16 PM
        
        Nature's way of filling the void left by Ed (n/t) - Tony - 5/11/2004 4:21:40 PM
        
        The parallels struck me as well - alcaray - 5/11/2004 8:54:04 PM
    - Facts - Robert - 5/9/2004 5:04:40 PM
      - re: Facts - Justin Kelly - 5/10/2004 8:43:27 AM
        
        Principles - Robert - 5/10/2004 3:44:31 PM
        
        What is responsibility? - RobVG - 5/10/2004 4:28:14 PM
        
        Hoist on his own petard - Robert - 5/10/2004 6:26:26 PM
        
        re: What is responsibility? - Raoul - 5/10/2004 4:41:05 PM
        
        Disregarding the question of whether Rumsfeld should resign.... - Tony - 5/10/2004 3:07:21 PM
      - sysÂ·temÂ·ic : take it and run with it - FrankC - 5/9/2004 9:24:38 PM
        
        The prison didn't operate in a vacuum - Robert - 5/9/2004 10:11:47 PM
        
        re: When you hit the 'general' wall, you find the missing 'vacuum' . . . (n/t) - D. Spires - 5/10/2004 2:22:07 AM
        
        Karpinsky was a General - FrankC - 5/9/2004 11:32:02 PM
        
        So? - Robert - 5/10/2004 3:52:13 PM
        
        By that logic... - FrankC - 5/10/2004 10:22:40 PM
        
        Logic? - Robert - 5/10/2004 11:06:25 PM
        
        Vapors - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 7:15:40 AM
        
        Bingo! - FrankC - 5/11/2004 3:12:23 AM
        
        re: Bingo! - gbaikie - 5/11/2004 6:04:08 AM
        
        mucking up - FrankC - 5/11/2004 2:19:02 PM
        
        re: mucking up - RobVG - 5/11/2004 3:35:12 PM
  - Humans Rights Watch: Letter to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld (Jan 12, 2004) - Nick - 5/9/2004 12:27:25 PM
    - "There were things done to young boys" - Nick - 5/9/2004 12:47:28 PM
      - you forgot to add 'by Iraqi gaurds" (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 5/9/2004 2:29:47 PM
        
        Under whose command? *We* are in charge. Therefore, *we* are responsible. - Mary Anne - 5/9/2004 4:44:34 PM
        
        Abuse or voluntary? - FrankC - 5/9/2004 5:20:00 PM
        
        re: Age and consent - Mary Anne - 5/9/2004 10:46:46 PM
  - Rumsfeld gave up the Geneva Convention for a reason. - Bowser - 5/9/2004 12:02:17 PM
  - re: The Geneva Convention - Raoul - 5/9/2004 9:41:19 AM

Child Abuse by US Soldiers. . . (WARNING!, graphic pictures!) - Justin Kelly - 5/11/2004 6:16:31 AM
- Thanks Justin, those pics are awesome! (n/t) - Jack Herer - 5/11/2004 8:52:58 PM
- I don't think anyone doubts the basic "goodness" of American soldiers. - Bowser - 5/11/2004 1:56:40 PM

Swift boat veterans - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 4:22:11 PM
- I have to agree - McFly - 5/11/2004 5:39:56 PM
  - Best I can tell... - FrankC - 5/11/2004 7:16:35 PM

Y would GI's and prison personell - carl - 5/11/2004 4:35:13 PM
- Pictures - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 4:56:21 PM
  - OK, so done 2 shame them in their culture? - carl - 5/11/2004 5:27:47 PM

The Geneva Convention and enemy combatants - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 12:20:47 AM
- More........ - Tony - 5/11/2004 4:16:33 PM
  - re: More........ - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 4:45:38 PM

Paks apparently offer Saddam 'whole nuclear weapons program' in '94. - Bowser - 5/9/2004 1:30:12 PM
- There's more than one way to interprete this evidence - m - 5/9/2004 10:33:11 PM
  - Sickeningly unsporting to shoot a hibernating bear (n/t) - alcaray - 5/10/2004 5:59:55 PM
    - So War is a sport to you? Or its something we should play fair in and give an enemy a fair fight? (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 5/11/2004 2:32:44 PM
      - His analogy. Only pointing out what it meant. (n/t) - alcaray - 5/11/2004 4:00:39 PM
  - It's both-and. - Bowser - 5/10/2004 12:36:13 AM

George Will Hits Another One Out Of The Park - Donald - 5/11/2004 1:48:04 PM

Some very good news from Europe - Buck Galaxy - 5/11/2004 3:57:20 AM
- I agree--scrap them. Well, George? Howsabout some conservatism on this issue? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 6:43:41 AM
  - In an election year? - Tony - 5/11/2004 1:13:12 PM
- They're safe. The US couldn't do that. - Bowser - 5/11/2004 4:14:51 AM

"up to 90 percent of Iraqi detainees were arrested by mistake," - Bowser - 5/10/2004 6:22:30 PM
- In Other News: RedCross invents magical guilt /innocence tricorders! - Justin Kelly - 5/11/2004 7:11:21 AM
  - How do you explain the people who were tortured and released with no charges? (n/t) - Bowser - 5/11/2004 12:21:11 PM
- every prisoner is innocent - SDG - 5/10/2004 10:26:07 PM
- No, you don't say? (n/t) - They all looked like terrorists to me - 5/10/2004 7:33:54 PM

Iraqnow: what you don't see in the newspapers - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 7:59:36 AM

Sadr and his army - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 7:55:01 AM

Rich Galens on Abu Ghraib - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 12:36:55 AM
- There can't be any doubt in anyone's mind those prisoners are now trying to kill Americans. - Bowser - 5/11/2004 1:52:43 AM
  - re: doubt - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 3:25:48 AM
    - Read it and weep. Or, more likely, gloat? - Bowser - 5/11/2004 3:45:51 AM
    - Techniques - Nick - 5/11/2004 3:45:14 AM
      - Techniques - Bowser - 5/11/2004 4:12:41 AM
        
        Both of you are, to put it a lot more politely than I'd like, wrong. - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 6:48:39 AM

Author of Prison Abuse Report to Testify . . . - D. Spires - 5/11/2004 4:23:03 AM

Family: GI in Iraq Photos Followed Orders . . . - D. Spires - 5/8/2004 9:56:21 PM
- Worse than animals - R.L. - 5/9/2004 5:16:05 PM
  - agree 100% (n/t) - SDG - 5/10/2004 10:51:18 PM

"Bush Gives Rumsfeld Strong Endorsement". I wonder what a bad job would be. Quagmire? Prestige in the tank? - Bowser - 5/10/2004 6:55:23 PM
- Italians hint Rumsfeld should resign.n - “The principal difference between democracies and dictatorships - - - " - Bowser - 5/10/2004 8:03:20 PM
  - re: Revealing - Raoul - 5/10/2004 9:30:08 PM

"The Arab world, it's not just disliking us," he said. "They think we're perverse." - Bowser - 5/10/2004 1:23:40 AM
- And We think that the Arab culture is perverse. Suicide bombings by children are hailed in the Arab press. Honor killings of Arab women by Arab men are not even illegal. Etc, etc, etc. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/10/2004 5:41:58 AM
  - We've seen more coverage in the past week of this prison fiasco than the media has devoted to Saddam's atrocities in the past year. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/10/2004 3:42:56 PM
    - Doesn't look as if the US gives a damn about Iraqi people. And waving the flag because we aren't as bad as Saddam! - Bowser - 5/10/2004 4:32:36 PM
      - Okay, just this once - Tom Brosz - 5/10/2004 5:26:30 PM

Zogby makes the call: it's Kerry in 2004 (unless he screws up) - m - 5/10/2004 5:18:53 PM

War tab swamps Bushâ€™s estimate - Donald - 5/10/2004 1:16:21 PM
- Meanwhile: Abuse scandals widens - Donald - 5/10/2004 1:22:22 PM
  - Comment - Lindy - 5/10/2004 2:17:51 PM
  - ANd: The consequences of Bush incompetence - Donald - 5/10/2004 1:41:02 PM
    - "True international support and involvement." - Tom Brosz - 5/10/2004 3:41:11 PM
    - "We wuz conned" - Donald - 5/10/2004 1:55:03 PM

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