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Gary — 11/4/2004 5:04:00 PM (archived)

Tom Brosz's comment about Tolkien caused me to think some more about that book. It's interesting that early in the "Lord of the Rings", Tolkien portrayed almost all of the established leaders of Middle Earth as being induced into inaction by Sauron. For example:

Denethor was demoralized into inaction by a Sauron controlled palantir.

Saruman (who was originally sent to Middle Earth to contest Sauron's power) was seduced by Sauron through a different palantir.

Theoden was betrayed into inaction by the traitor Wormtongue who was in Saruman's service.

Elrond and Galadriel were so convinced of Sauron's eventual triumph that they were preparing to flee to Valinor and leave Middle Earth to its fate.

Tolkien stated repeatedly that there was no intended symbolism in the "Lord of the Rings". However I find it hard to believe that Tolkien was not influenced by the behavior of European states towards Hitler during the appeasement period prior to WW-II.

Gary

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Any opinions about Andrew Sullivan? - Gary - 11/4/2004 6:25:28 AM
- I wonder what SDAI-Tech-1 thinks.... - et - 11/4/2004 6:34:46 PM
  - Yeah that's it...rope SDAI into this one. - SDAI-Tech1 - 11/5/2004 3:34:38 AM
    - Just wondering - RobVG - 11/5/2004 4:29:38 AM
      - No. Blue, blistering barnacles man...didn't you read what I wrote? ;-) - SDAI-Tech1 - 11/5/2004 8:22:01 AM
        
        I thought I could read...? - RobVG - 11/6/2004 1:51:51 AM
        
        Blacks calming petitioning their legislatures for racial inetgration: good. Blacks deliberately sitting in "Whites Only" sections: bad. - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 11:45:00 AM
        
        Well... - SDAI-Tech1 - 11/5/2004 9:47:23 PM
- I disagree. - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 6:35:44 AM
  - The Denethor analogy maybe correct - Gary - 11/4/2004 6:42:16 AM
    - Tolkien - Gary - 11/4/2004 5:04:00 PM
      - re: Tolkien - LJ - 11/4/2004 5:16:33 PM
        
        Do you want to start a Tolkien thread? - Gary - 11/5/2004 6:40:26 AM
        
        re: Do you want to start a Tolkien thread? - LJ - 11/5/2004 4:27:26 PM
      - palantir = MSM. I wish Tolkien could comment about that one. (n/t) - Gary - 11/4/2004 5:08:11 PM
- He's gay. Burn him at the stake. - Mary Anne - 11/4/2004 6:34:44 AM
  - wecome to the era of Madison's ..... - Publius - 11/5/2004 4:55:32 PM
    - Constitutional amendment - Tom Brosz - 11/7/2004 4:42:15 AM
    - Take heart, people won't stay silent - Daniel - 11/5/2004 8:31:26 PM
  - Who all are you talking about? (n/t) - ebnelson - 11/4/2004 4:44:48 PM
    - Oh, for heaven's sake, read the top of the thread. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 11/4/2004 4:56:56 PM
      - Well down here in the heart of the evil empire, that doesn't happen and is not acceptable. - ebnelson - 11/4/2004 5:15:45 PM
        
        The developing "story..." - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 6:08:14 PM
        
        re: The developing "story..." - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 4:23:37 AM
        
        Well, here's an example. Ironically, from Sullivan's blog. Unfortunately, he's buying it. - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 10:00:26 PM
        
        Well what do homosexuals expect? - Lee - 11/5/2004 1:21:05 AM
        
        So what. You think we should see the light, and suddenly agree with the majority because we lost? - alcaray - 11/5/2004 12:00:44 AM
        
        Not the point. - Tom Brosz - 11/5/2004 1:29:36 AM
        
        Gary brought the mud to this thread - alcaray - 11/5/2004 4:38:31 PM
        
        "meltdown" - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 12:03:42 PM
        
        Gary suggested that Andy might have... - alcaray - 11/4/2004 6:48:49 PM
        
        I wasn't suggesting that Mary Anne was part of the Democratic Party's spin machine. - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 9:20:18 PM
        
        We're not selecting a god. - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 11:57:17 AM
        
        "In the name of Jesus." Keep it up. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 11/6/2004 4:55:36 AM
        
        I will. You do realize that the reason the Christian fundamentalists love Israel... - Mary Anne - 11/6/2004 5:36:45 AM
        
        Fundamentalists - Tom Brosz - 11/7/2004 4:47:42 AM
        
        Trying to provoke Armageddon is dangerous whether you want to think so or not. - Mary Anne - 11/7/2004 11:05:32 AM
        
        Actually, I was thinking of option 3) - Gary - 11/4/2004 7:03:27 PM
        
        "IMHO, the homosexual thing only distracts Sullivan from more important topics. He needs to rise above it." - Mary Anne - 11/4/2004 7:28:41 PM
        
        What's his religion? - Gary - 11/4/2004 7:40:34 PM
        
        Roman Catholic - phil - 11/4/2004 11:30:18 PM
        
        He has not shared that. - Mary Anne - 11/4/2004 8:14:51 PM
        
        Thank you all for the correction. - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 5:23:15 PM
        
        Sullivan - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 9:30:23 PM
        
        Speaking of Christian Gays - REB - 11/4/2004 10:16:59 PM
        
        re: The developing "story..." - Mary Anne - 11/4/2004 6:33:31 PM
  - You can do better than this (n/t) - Gary - 11/4/2004 6:39:32 AM
    - "Don't pester her. She's had a hard day." (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 11/4/2004 6:54:08 AM
    - Why? - Mary Anne - 11/4/2004 6:48:08 AM
      - Mary Anne, it was my birthday too. - Art Martin - 11/4/2004 10:39:38 PM
        
        Happy birthday, Art! - Mary Anne - 11/5/2004 11:51:48 PM
        
        Leaving this place - Art Martin - 11/6/2004 5:39:09 AM
        
        Happy Birthday MA and Art - Mark Eby - 11/5/2004 2:33:21 AM
        
        HBD, Mary Anne and Art! - Fox - 11/5/2004 1:29:58 AM
        
        Happy Birthay to you, too, Art! (n/t) - LJ - 11/4/2004 11:28:51 PM
        
        Thanks, by the way hot saki does wonders for making one forget the election on their birthday. (n/t) - Art Martin - 11/4/2004 11:33:45 PM
        
        or is it spelled "sake"? That doesn't look right either. Time to drink more and not care. (n/t) - Art Martin - 11/4/2004 11:34:47 PM
      - Happy Birthday! - ebnelson - 11/4/2004 5:16:59 PM
      - re: Happy Birthday, Mary Anne! - Raoul - 11/4/2004 5:12:51 PM
      - Keep some perspective - Larry J - 11/4/2004 4:08:03 PM
        
        I'm not grouchy because it's my birthday. - Mary Anne - 11/4/2004 4:54:17 PM
        
        Just as there will always be economic cycles... - Larry J - 11/4/2004 5:38:44 PM
      - Happy Birthday - FrankC - 11/4/2004 3:45:41 PM
      - Happy (gulp) Birthday, Mary Anne - LJ - 11/4/2004 3:03:15 PM
      - Happy (belated) birthday Mary Anne - Daniel - 11/4/2004 10:03:53 AM
      - Happy Birthday! (n/t) - Gary - 11/4/2004 6:50:26 AM
        
        Thank you. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 11/4/2004 7:04:24 AM

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