Freewill.

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Freewill.

REB — 6/14/2007 9:43:33 PM (archived)

God does not control the motion of every atom on this Earth. He gave us freewill. But under freewill, bad things happen.

And remember this, death is nothing to God. He still sees us even in death. We still exist, we just change forms.

I believe we are the reason for his creating the universe. He wanted intelligent beings like ourselves to evolve independent of him. We can not do that if he is controlling everything. And what would be the point of creating a universe and controlling what everything does in it?

I do think God does help those who ask for it. Perhaps they donâ€™t get the help they want, but they get the help God thinks they need for their situation.

And I have said this before, if you donâ€™t want God in you life, you will probably get your wish.

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And yet, the Bible remains so popular in the US! - Raoul - 6/11/2007 9:40:56 PM
- FYI - Jody - 6/17/2007 2:50:31 PM
  - Quotes - Raoul - 6/17/2007 9:51:23 PM
    - Hawking - azstrummer - 6/22/2007 3:45:10 PM
      - re: Hawking - Marcia - 6/23/2007 1:52:21 AM
    - certainty is absurd - Voltaire - FrankC - 6/20/2007 7:27:12 PM
      - re: certainties - Raoul - 6/20/2007 8:05:19 PM
    - Wonderful - Fox - 6/20/2007 1:01:37 AM
      - re: Wonderful - Marcia - 6/23/2007 1:55:42 AM
        
        re: Wonderful... although... - Marcia - 6/23/2007 1:58:49 AM
- You are wrong, and ignorant - Daniel - 6/15/2007 12:00:14 AM
  - By the way, Deuteronomy commands you to stone Raoul to death - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 2:05:18 AM
    - Jesus was against stoning. - REB - 6/22/2007 2:09:16 PM
      - Hear! Hear! - Eri - 6/23/2007 5:19:49 PM
      - But the bible isnt (n/t) - ARRELL - 6/22/2007 11:32:14 PM
        
        re: But the bible isnt. New Testament. (n/t) - Marcia - 6/23/2007 2:00:10 AM
      - You just think so. - azstrummer - 6/22/2007 4:48:46 PM
    - re: stone Raoul to death - TB - 6/21/2007 7:28:23 PM
      - ROTFLMAO (n/t) - Jody - 6/21/2007 9:59:50 PM
    - Wrong again! - Daniel - 6/21/2007 8:48:05 AM
      - Here is what it boils down to... - ARRELL - 6/22/2007 12:42:06 AM
    - re:I supposeâ€¦â€¦â€¦ - Johannes - 6/21/2007 2:42:01 AM
      - You're a bit slow, aren't you? (n/t) - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 5:50:01 AM
        
        re: And you must be too f ass t (n/t) - Johannes - 6/21/2007 5:24:07 PM
        
        re: Oops !! A typing speed bump (n/t) - Johannes - 6/21/2007 5:51:16 PM
      - He was in Israel. I saw the pictures. - alcaray - 6/21/2007 3:04:18 AM
        
        In 1979! (n/t) - Raoul - 6/21/2007 5:25:25 AM
        
        re:Are you the one without sin? - Johannes - 6/21/2007 3:48:06 AM
        
        Not without sin, but I have a distended sense of fun. (n/t) - alcaray - 6/21/2007 5:38:51 AM
        
        re: Unfortunatelly we can not stone Raoul then ;-) (n/t) - Johannes - 6/21/2007 5:09:12 PM
        
        I don't mind sinning a little more, if there's fun in it. - alcaray - 6/21/2007 9:43:57 PM
        
        I'm kind of far away! :-) (n/t) - Raoul - 6/21/2007 5:16:03 PM
        
        AH, but the truly faithful would pay to fly over to stone you - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 7:58:10 PM
        
        Let's just ALL get stoned and pretend we can fly.:) (n/t) - Jody "Hey Man am I drivin' okay? - 6/21/2007 10:03:16 PM
        
        "But I would not feel so all alone..." (n/t) - Fox - 6/24/2007 3:22:25 PM
  - Oh, and this is a great quote: - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 12:58:14 AM
    - re: Venereal Disease - Johannes - 6/21/2007 3:57:04 AM
  - " Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)" (n/t) - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 12:50:48 AM
  - "All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)" - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 12:41:56 AM
  - "It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. "- Mark Twain - ARRELL - 6/20/2007 9:22:56 PM
  - Daniel, he is not wrong, (I am not looking for a fight) - ARRELL - 6/19/2007 9:19:36 PM
  - All this shows.... - Raoul - 6/15/2007 5:47:41 AM
    - It is a philosophical, not religious, question - FrankC - 6/17/2007 9:28:37 PM
      - re: It is a philosophical, not religious, question - Raoul - 6/18/2007 2:31:13 PM
      - re: It is a philosophical, not religious, question - REB - 6/18/2007 1:56:40 PM
    - The "significance" (or otherwise) of humans is irrelevant - Daniel - 6/17/2007 2:00:04 PM
      - re: The "significance" refers to "narcissism" - Raoul - 6/17/2007 4:15:11 PM
        
        not necessarily - Daniel - 6/17/2007 5:10:17 PM
        
        Our significance is related to our faiths - Raoul - 6/17/2007 9:06:41 PM
    - re: All this shows.... - Johannes - 6/16/2007 12:29:01 AM
      - oh come on now - azstrummer - 6/22/2007 3:21:26 PM
        
        re:This is the best place to find out how the mind works. - Johannes - 6/22/2007 7:07:43 PM
        
        "Scale" of our intelligence - azstrummer - 6/22/2007 7:33:12 PM
        
        re: I did not say that you did not have the intelligence. - Johannes - 6/23/2007 1:35:03 AM
      - LOL - you didnt DERIVE anything - ARRELL - 6/20/2007 10:47:47 PM
        
        re: Poor ARRELL cant figure out simple mathematical formula. (n/t) - Johannes - 6/21/2007 2:53:01 AM
        
        Start another thread- stop hijacking this one with your insane drivel.... (n/t) - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 5:44:13 AM
        
        re: I enjoy debating my views, it gives me an understanding of how others think. (n/t) - Johannes - 6/21/2007 5:47:31 PM
        
        Start another thread, you are just vandalizing this one (n/t) - ARRELL - 6/23/2007 12:09:06 AM
      - re: All this shows.... - McFly - 6/20/2007 6:03:52 PM
        
        re: re:.Please read - Johannes - 6/21/2007 4:11:35 AM
        
        Done - McFly - 6/21/2007 6:29:43 AM
        
        re: I am saying that God created Space, Mass and Energy. - Johannes - 6/21/2007 5:42:58 PM
        
        Ugh - McFly - 6/21/2007 8:55:53 PM
        
        re: Ugh - Johannes - 6/22/2007 3:49:42 AM
        
        OK...calming down... - McFly - 6/22/2007 8:09:01 PM
        
        re:Thatâ€™s why the flame board is here, no harm done :-} - Johannes - 6/23/2007 2:02:42 AM
        
        No calming down allowed in Flame. Flog yourself. (n/t) - azstrummer - 6/22/2007 9:18:16 PM
        
        I am sorry, Johannes.... - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 8:02:17 PM
        
        re: Certainly - Johannes - 6/22/2007 3:58:05 AM
        
        :) AMEN - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 6:38:13 AM
      - "Are we simply robots......." - Lindy - 6/20/2007 3:53:51 PM
        
        What is a robot, what is consciouness? - Raoul - 6/20/2007 4:20:37 PM
      - Science without religion.... - Raoul - 6/16/2007 8:52:18 AM
        
        Science should only be influenced by science... - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 6:15:44 AM
        
        re: Fact #1: The Bible contains the words, heaven, earth, and light, - Johannes - 6/21/2007 7:18:20 PM
        
        So does the dictionary, shut up or start another thread (n/t) - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 7:52:11 PM
        
        re: Where are the factual and conceptual errors? (n/t) - Johannes - 6/22/2007 4:01:07 AM
        
        At every point where you finished a sentence - R.L. - 6/22/2007 4:13:58 AM
        
        re: You are obviously an advocate of book burning. - Johannes - 6/22/2007 7:14:17 PM
        
        I honestly do not see how that follows.... - ARRELL (Starting to get REALLY angry) - 6/22/2007 11:51:51 PM
        
        re: Was the Bible in your parents library and did you read it? - Johannes - 6/23/2007 5:20:52 PM
    - re: All this shows.... - Marcia - 6/15/2007 9:52:34 PM
      - Our place in the universe.... - Raoul - 6/16/2007 8:39:05 AM
  - re: You are wrong, and ignorant - Marcia - 6/15/2007 4:08:24 AM
    - Religion should not be exempted from criticism - Raoul - 6/17/2007 8:56:49 PM
    - You're welcome - Daniel - 6/17/2007 2:05:03 PM
    - re: = ... and I agree with REB! (n/t) - Marcia - 6/15/2007 4:13:16 AM
- re: Interesting - Johannes - 6/14/2007 2:32:19 AM
  - re: Mass mess ?? - Johannes - 6/15/2007 4:30:03 AM
  - re: Addendum - Johannes - 6/14/2007 3:29:58 AM
    - I have a simular view on the subject. - REB - 6/14/2007 4:15:41 PM
      - re: I have a simular view on the subject. - Johannes - 6/16/2007 3:34:44 AM
        
        Why on Earth would you think there was any scientific meaning in genisis?!! - ARRELL - 6/20/2007 11:25:34 PM
        
        re: Why not? - Johannes - 6/21/2007 3:18:28 AM
      - How come God let 9-11 or the tsunami happen.. - Raoul - 6/14/2007 9:15:08 PM
        
        What I find INFURIATING... - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 1:22:24 AM
        
        re: Thou of little faith. - Johannes - 6/21/2007 3:38:33 AM
        
        Freewill. - REB - 6/14/2007 9:43:33 PM
        
        Wish I remembered who said this: - Mary Anne - 6/17/2007 6:37:21 PM
        
        Subjective! - Raoul - 6/15/2007 5:37:52 AM
        
        re: Subjective! - REB - 6/15/2007 1:26:56 PM
        
        That is a human interpretation, nothing more. (n/t) - Raoul - 6/16/2007 8:42:32 AM
    - Or maybe - ds - 6/14/2007 2:47:11 PM
      - re: Thanks - Johannes - 6/15/2007 4:34:20 PM
      - I can appreciate the time and energy you applied to this Johannes. - Jody - 6/14/2007 3:48:21 PM
        
        Jody, Jody - azstrummer - 6/22/2007 4:47:16 PM
        
        Art, Art - Jody - 6/25/2007 2:14:38 AM
        
        re: Art, Art - azstrummer - 6/25/2007 4:20:22 AM
        
        Cahones - Jody - 6/25/2007 10:53:47 AM
        
        re:Thank you for your thoughts Jody - Johannes - 6/15/2007 4:48:07 PM
        
        Johannes Kepler considered God to be the Ultimate Geometrer - ds - 6/14/2007 6:43:20 PM
- Continue ignoring the Allah-phant in the room. (n/t) - You Quran, but you can't hide. - 6/12/2007 2:17:14 AM
- I hear they sell a lot of Bibles in Europe - FrankC - 6/11/2007 11:28:10 PM
  - And fewer and fewer going to church (n/t) - Raoul - 6/12/2007 5:31:27 AM
  - Back in my 30's I tried to read the Bible... - Jody - 6/12/2007 12:46:54 AM
    - I have tried to read it from cover to cover, but I can't seem to do it. - REB - 6/15/2007 1:22:25 PM
      - Spoiler alert.... - ARRELL - 6/19/2007 3:54:52 PM
        
        LOL ...Arrell...I swanee!!! That was great! - Jody - 6/22/2007 7:04:14 PM
        
        Swanee???? (n/t) - ARRELL - 6/22/2007 11:31:22 PM
        
        "I swanee:, or I swan"...southern for I swear. (n/t) - Jody - 6/25/2007 10:56:14 AM
        
        Huh.... never heard that one - :) - 6/26/2007 10:18:08 PM
- As opposed to the Koran in Europe? - TB - 6/11/2007 10:28:04 PM
  - Lol at all nervous inexperienced kids here - The Truth - 7/11/2007 8:07:23 PM
  - Europeans are throwing out Christianity while opening their arms to Islam - REB - 6/12/2007 1:23:23 PM
  - Your argument has a flaw - Raoul - 6/12/2007 5:30:18 AM
  - Whoa... - TB - 6/11/2007 10:30:23 PM
    - And heaven forbid if you should be a young woman... - ds - 6/12/2007 2:22:38 PM
      - re: And heaven forbid if you should be a young woman... - Jody - 6/13/2007 3:02:19 AM
        
        Mormons - TB - 6/13/2007 4:45:39 AM
        
        Yeah, but... - ds - 6/13/2007 6:02:07 PM
        
        You know that the women can only wear white cotton underwear - Jody - 6/14/2007 4:44:22 AM
        
        jody why do you spend some much time thinking about other ppls religion - Anna - 7/11/2007 8:16:09 PM
        
        For one that professes to be so devout, you are an ass- and one more thing - ARRELL - 7/11/2007 10:13:03 PM
        
        Jody, you smoke? - azstrummer - 6/18/2007 9:05:27 PM
        
        "But the worst part is the kissing." - Lindy - 6/20/2007 2:36:04 PM
        
        "(Other problem is his wife..........LOL)" - azstrummer - 6/22/2007 9:21:08 PM
        
        FUNNY......... - Lindy - 6/23/2007 2:32:42 AM
        
        No worries -- so do I - Fox - 6/19/2007 5:29:35 PM
        
        I would like that:) (n/t) - Jody - 6/19/2007 7:37:34 PM
        
        Geez, you two - get a room! ;) - LS - 6/19/2007 8:16:24 PM
        
        OK (n/t) - Fox - 6/20/2007 2:26:38 AM
        
        :) (n/t) - Jody - 6/20/2007 3:14:57 AM
        
        Sorry Guitar man...I am who I am - Jody - 6/19/2007 4:04:03 AM
        
        Jody don't worry almost noone cares about you - Mannisson - 7/11/2007 8:11:07 PM
        
        Other concern - azstrummer - 6/19/2007 3:50:36 PM
        
        I accept all religious faith equally.... - ARRELL - 6/13/2007 11:55:08 PM
        
        Count me in with that Arrell. - Jody - 6/14/2007 4:31:00 AM

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