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"I think you have a distorted view of that word because you can rationalize back to Kerry (gee, maybe he's becoming the new Clinton buzzword when things go wrong). The problem is that it doesn't take you shouting George Bush's praises to the altar to show your loyalty. It simply requires you to shut up in the face of his incompetence."

Well, I did say I thought Bush was probably going to be regarded as a great president. But if a great president means great bullshiter, than of course Clinton will easily overshadow him.

"Rational people can dump on guys in their own party without feeling like they're giving aid and comfort to the enemy."

Assuming one's entertainment is dumping on guys.

"There's where you guys failed, not in the fact that you didn't elect Kerry (he certainly wasn't my favorite dude in the world) but that you didn't insist your own party give you better than the bozos you ended up with."

Didn't you just say:
"Were that true the Republican Party would not be fielding a bunch of the same crap for President."

Perhaps I should ask, of the Republicans being currently fielded which ones are significantly and without any doubt better than Bush?
I've offer that unless you count Ms Clinton as Bill Clinton, none of Dems fielded are as good a Bill Clinton, but practically any of them is at least a slight improvement over Kerry or Gore. Bill Clinton was dishonest, but at least had a somewhat of a realistic political view of America public

"That's blind and stupid loyalty at its finest. It's the loyalty of fear and greed, that you might do some damage to your party of choice that you'd lose some semblance of power."
Look at the Dem leadership in Congress if you need example of staggering stupidity.

But on the subject of Loyalty or perhaps more accurately, a bad habit, we should look at Dem party- particularly it's black and women voters.
Hmm, I wonder if Bill had been getting a blowjob from a black chick whether it would have made any difference.

"Oh, and Kerry's plan? (like it has anything to do with this discussion) Who knows?"

Well, speaking for myself, I do.

"To tell you the truth I really don't want some leader with hard-coded plans because they're too fucking inflexible to deal with the real world."

Certainly true, especially considering Kerry experience of managing not much more than his bank account.

"What I do know is that this question I'm posing to you right now would be moot because, in spite of all the warts the Dems have, they don't seem to be seekers of absolute power."

Yeah, right. Just a much bigger govt and higher taxes.

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