There's the thing

Socrates II — 5/14/2009 12:52:49 PM (archived)

If our fates are predetermined, be they by some deity or just existence
in general, what good does it do anyone if you're going to be saved or
screwed no matter how nice you are or how much you pray?

I can't help but think that I and just about everyone else has been
deluded for thousands of years by certain people who just love to be
in power and control and like to claim that God is on their side in
justifying their position and behavior.

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Another reason I'm an atheist - azstrummer - 5/13/2009 5:17:38 PM
- You *do* realize... - Jody - 5/14/2009 9:20:35 AM
  - Sir Art The Perfect Arrogant - Jody - 5/14/2009 4:04:30 PM
    - Who said anything about right and just? - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 6:01:35 PM
      - IN MY OPINION - Jody - 5/14/2009 8:39:47 PM
        
        "I am the country road to reason" - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 9:33:20 PM
        
        I am so sorry if you feel I preach to you... - Jody - 5/14/2009 9:38:52 PM
        
        I completely misunderstood you... - Jody - 5/15/2009 1:16:22 AM
        
        No problems - azstrummer - 5/15/2009 12:40:49 PM
        
        re: No problems - Eri - 5/16/2009 3:15:27 AM
        
        My story - Jody - 5/15/2009 10:37:51 PM
  - Well, there's always the case to be made - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 2:22:26 PM
    - Heh.. - Patsy The Predictable - 5/14/2009 3:28:11 PM
      - I knew you were going to say that. (n/t) - TB - 5/14/2009 5:18:15 PM
        
        I'm pretty sure that Nostradomus has a chapter about Jody (n/t) - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 5:40:14 PM
        
        Heh... - Jody - 5/14/2009 5:42:30 PM
        
        Nostradamus predicted everything - Socrates II - 5/15/2009 5:24:59 PM
        
        I am skeptical of prophecy...but open to it. - Jody - 5/15/2009 9:17:24 PM
        
        Heh... - Jody - 5/15/2009 9:40:15 PM
        
        *raspberries* (n/t) - Jody - 5/14/2009 5:39:44 PM
- Prayer v. begging. One reason I'm not an atheist. - Bowser - 5/14/2009 2:12:18 AM
  - Well, I for one don't beg. - Eri - 5/14/2009 11:01:48 PM
  - Oh for the love of God... - Jody - 5/14/2009 2:26:48 AM
    - You might want to re-read that post, Jody. - Bowser - 5/14/2009 3:36:09 AM
      - OY! - Jody - 5/14/2009 9:06:28 AM
      - OY! - Jody - 5/14/2009 9:05:15 AM
- re: Another reason I'm an atheist - REB - 5/13/2009 6:28:50 PM
  - Prayer works. - Eri - 5/14/2009 1:13:26 AM
    - Dear Eri and Reb, - ER - 5/14/2009 3:12:34 AM
      - May I cut in for a moment? - Jody - 5/14/2009 3:40:01 PM
      - re: Dear Eri and Reb, - REB - 5/14/2009 1:27:38 PM
        
        re: Dear Eri and Reb, - ER - 5/14/2009 3:50:11 PM
        
        re: Dear Eri and Reb, - Eri - 5/14/2009 10:51:57 PM
        
        I enjoy your perspective Eri - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 11:42:45 PM
      - There's the thing - Socrates II - 5/14/2009 12:52:49 PM
        
        I don't think our fates are predetermined. - REB - 5/14/2009 1:32:53 PM
        
        re: I don't think our fates are predetermined. - Jody - 5/14/2009 5:48:01 PM
        
        Then why... - Socrates II - 5/14/2009 3:33:45 PM
        
        I don't know what religion you were indoctrinated into but it sounds like it had some severe failings. - Eri - 5/14/2009 11:11:31 PM
        
        Roman Catholicism - Socrates II - 5/15/2009 2:13:17 PM
        
        re: Then why... - REB - 5/14/2009 4:10:06 PM
        
        "Maybe atheist get their wish and just cease to exist" - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 5:20:10 PM
        
        Maybe atheist get what they beleive and just cease to exist" - REB - 5/14/2009 5:38:06 PM
        
        First Circle: virtuous pagans. (n/t) - TB - 5/14/2009 5:44:28 PM
        
        Inferno - REB - 5/14/2009 6:01:38 PM
        
        It was a long time ago, but - ER - 5/14/2009 6:10:13 PM
        
        Come to think of it, - ER - 5/14/2009 6:13:10 PM
        
        It's politics no matter where you go - Socrates II - 5/14/2009 6:25:45 PM
        
        " if there is a Hell, there is a way out of it." - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 6:04:27 PM
        
        re: " if there is a Hell, there is a way out of it." - SDAI-Tech1 - 5/15/2009 4:34:37 AM
        
        I have contemplated the *very* concept of that which you speak... - Jody - 5/15/2009 8:13:14 AM
        
        Actually... - TB - 5/14/2009 11:17:13 PM
        
        LOL - REB - 5/14/2009 6:17:23 PM
        
        re: Inferno - TB - 5/14/2009 6:03:20 PM
        
        re: Inferno - REB - 5/14/2009 6:14:12 PM
        
        Well let's hope that Zeus goes easy on me. (n/t) - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 5:41:41 PM
        
        I understand it was his wife that was a bitch. (n/t) - Eri - 5/14/2009 11:53:38 PM
        
        I hope God does give you a second chance, Art - REB - 5/14/2009 5:59:04 PM
        
        Most of Christianity has not been so ambiguous - Socrates II - 5/14/2009 4:50:52 PM
        
        Misinformation - Eri - 5/14/2009 11:28:41 PM
        
        re: Most of Christianity has not been so ambiguous - REB - 5/14/2009 5:08:39 PM
        
        If God knows, is, and does everything, why... - Socrates II - 5/14/2009 5:58:35 PM
        
        God has supreme intellilgence. - Eri - 5/14/2009 11:35:37 PM
        
        re: If God knows, is, and does everything, why... - REB - 5/14/2009 6:26:23 PM
        
        This is like the five blind guys with the elephant - Socrates II - 5/15/2009 7:36:59 PM
        
        Sort of like the Alien's acid blood. - ER - 5/14/2009 6:07:46 PM
  - REB, I'm not upset with praying. It's scientifically analyzing it that makes me crazy. - azstrummer - 5/13/2009 6:50:46 PM
    - Analyzing it is a bunch of hype. - Eri - 5/14/2009 1:15:35 AM
      - Prayer studies - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 12:33:50 PM
        
        re: Prayer studies - Eri - 5/14/2009 11:52:08 PM
    - I can just about understand how someone (not me, though)... - alcaray - 5/13/2009 10:28:46 PM
      - It's just the icing on the cake - azstrummer - 5/13/2009 11:32:13 PM
        
        Text of Obama's ASU speech - TB - 5/14/2009 4:17:41 AM
        
        Sounds like he talked to them as adults - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 2:29:15 PM
        
        Better hope a few of the students go for the gold instead. - TB - 5/14/2009 5:03:33 PM
        
        There'll be plenty of greedy ones left Tom - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 5:37:44 PM
        
        You don't get it. - TB - 5/14/2009 6:11:47 PM
        
        Oh, I don't get it - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 6:32:09 PM
        
        You get it. You just don't want it. - TB - 5/14/2009 11:07:07 PM
        
        I can not say what TB's goal is... - Jody - 5/14/2009 9:34:09 PM
        
        Somehow I get the sneakin' suspicion - Patsy The Predictable - 5/15/2009 8:28:29 AM
        
        Sometimes the lack of reply - azstrummer - 5/15/2009 1:55:47 PM
        
        I've got some bad news... - TB - 5/14/2009 4:11:49 AM
    - Okay - REB - 5/13/2009 7:04:16 PM
      - and that is God's truth! (n/t) - Eri - 5/14/2009 1:16:48 AM
      - People can believe what they want - azstrummer - 5/13/2009 9:57:56 PM
        
        re: People can believe what they want - Lindy - 5/14/2009 1:19:15 PM
        
        I rankled in Flame? - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 2:24:32 PM
        
        Snicker. (n/t) - Eri - 5/16/2009 3:32:26 AM
  - To be fair... - TB - 5/13/2009 6:41:32 PM
    - Fair enough (n/t) - REB - 5/13/2009 6:44:39 PM

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