I don't think our fates are predetermined.

REB — 5/14/2009 1:32:53 PM (archived)

I also have considered that Revelations is more of a warning than a prophecy.

Anyway, it comes back to freewill. God wanted us to evolve independent from him.

I am an artist that likes to paint, yet I buy other artist work. Why? Because their work is different from mine. It is uninfluenced by my own mindset.

God wanted us to form independent from himâ€¦ following the natural rules that govern this universe, of course.

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Another reason I'm an atheist - azstrummer - 5/13/2009 5:17:38 PM
- You *do* realize... - Jody - 5/14/2009 9:20:35 AM
  - Sir Art The Perfect Arrogant - Jody - 5/14/2009 4:04:30 PM
    - Who said anything about right and just? - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 6:01:35 PM
      - IN MY OPINION - Jody - 5/14/2009 8:39:47 PM
        
        "I am the country road to reason" - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 9:33:20 PM
        
        I am so sorry if you feel I preach to you... - Jody - 5/14/2009 9:38:52 PM
        
        I completely misunderstood you... - Jody - 5/15/2009 1:16:22 AM
        
        No problems - azstrummer - 5/15/2009 12:40:49 PM
        
        re: No problems - Eri - 5/16/2009 3:15:27 AM
        
        My story - Jody - 5/15/2009 10:37:51 PM
  - Well, there's always the case to be made - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 2:22:26 PM
    - Heh.. - Patsy The Predictable - 5/14/2009 3:28:11 PM
      - I knew you were going to say that. (n/t) - TB - 5/14/2009 5:18:15 PM
        
        I'm pretty sure that Nostradomus has a chapter about Jody (n/t) - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 5:40:14 PM
        
        Heh... - Jody - 5/14/2009 5:42:30 PM
        
        Nostradamus predicted everything - Socrates II - 5/15/2009 5:24:59 PM
        
        I am skeptical of prophecy...but open to it. - Jody - 5/15/2009 9:17:24 PM
        
        Heh... - Jody - 5/15/2009 9:40:15 PM
        
        *raspberries* (n/t) - Jody - 5/14/2009 5:39:44 PM
- Prayer v. begging. One reason I'm not an atheist. - Bowser - 5/14/2009 2:12:18 AM
  - Well, I for one don't beg. - Eri - 5/14/2009 11:01:48 PM
  - Oh for the love of God... - Jody - 5/14/2009 2:26:48 AM
    - You might want to re-read that post, Jody. - Bowser - 5/14/2009 3:36:09 AM
      - OY! - Jody - 5/14/2009 9:06:28 AM
      - OY! - Jody - 5/14/2009 9:05:15 AM
- re: Another reason I'm an atheist - REB - 5/13/2009 6:28:50 PM
  - Prayer works. - Eri - 5/14/2009 1:13:26 AM
    - Dear Eri and Reb, - ER - 5/14/2009 3:12:34 AM
      - May I cut in for a moment? - Jody - 5/14/2009 3:40:01 PM
      - re: Dear Eri and Reb, - REB - 5/14/2009 1:27:38 PM
        
        re: Dear Eri and Reb, - ER - 5/14/2009 3:50:11 PM
        
        re: Dear Eri and Reb, - Eri - 5/14/2009 10:51:57 PM
        
        I enjoy your perspective Eri - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 11:42:45 PM
      - There's the thing - Socrates II - 5/14/2009 12:52:49 PM
        
        I don't think our fates are predetermined. - REB - 5/14/2009 1:32:53 PM
        
        re: I don't think our fates are predetermined. - Jody - 5/14/2009 5:48:01 PM
        
        Then why... - Socrates II - 5/14/2009 3:33:45 PM
        
        I don't know what religion you were indoctrinated into but it sounds like it had some severe failings. - Eri - 5/14/2009 11:11:31 PM
        
        Roman Catholicism - Socrates II - 5/15/2009 2:13:17 PM
        
        re: Then why... - REB - 5/14/2009 4:10:06 PM
        
        "Maybe atheist get their wish and just cease to exist" - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 5:20:10 PM
        
        Maybe atheist get what they beleive and just cease to exist" - REB - 5/14/2009 5:38:06 PM
        
        First Circle: virtuous pagans. (n/t) - TB - 5/14/2009 5:44:28 PM
        
        Inferno - REB - 5/14/2009 6:01:38 PM
        
        It was a long time ago, but - ER - 5/14/2009 6:10:13 PM
        
        Come to think of it, - ER - 5/14/2009 6:13:10 PM
        
        It's politics no matter where you go - Socrates II - 5/14/2009 6:25:45 PM
        
        " if there is a Hell, there is a way out of it." - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 6:04:27 PM
        
        re: " if there is a Hell, there is a way out of it." - SDAI-Tech1 - 5/15/2009 4:34:37 AM
        
        I have contemplated the *very* concept of that which you speak... - Jody - 5/15/2009 8:13:14 AM
        
        Actually... - TB - 5/14/2009 11:17:13 PM
        
        LOL - REB - 5/14/2009 6:17:23 PM
        
        re: Inferno - TB - 5/14/2009 6:03:20 PM
        
        re: Inferno - REB - 5/14/2009 6:14:12 PM
        
        Well let's hope that Zeus goes easy on me. (n/t) - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 5:41:41 PM
        
        I understand it was his wife that was a bitch. (n/t) - Eri - 5/14/2009 11:53:38 PM
        
        I hope God does give you a second chance, Art - REB - 5/14/2009 5:59:04 PM
        
        Most of Christianity has not been so ambiguous - Socrates II - 5/14/2009 4:50:52 PM
        
        Misinformation - Eri - 5/14/2009 11:28:41 PM
        
        re: Most of Christianity has not been so ambiguous - REB - 5/14/2009 5:08:39 PM
        
        If God knows, is, and does everything, why... - Socrates II - 5/14/2009 5:58:35 PM
        
        God has supreme intellilgence. - Eri - 5/14/2009 11:35:37 PM
        
        re: If God knows, is, and does everything, why... - REB - 5/14/2009 6:26:23 PM
        
        This is like the five blind guys with the elephant - Socrates II - 5/15/2009 7:36:59 PM
        
        Sort of like the Alien's acid blood. - ER - 5/14/2009 6:07:46 PM
  - REB, I'm not upset with praying. It's scientifically analyzing it that makes me crazy. - azstrummer - 5/13/2009 6:50:46 PM
    - Analyzing it is a bunch of hype. - Eri - 5/14/2009 1:15:35 AM
      - Prayer studies - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 12:33:50 PM
        
        re: Prayer studies - Eri - 5/14/2009 11:52:08 PM
    - I can just about understand how someone (not me, though)... - alcaray - 5/13/2009 10:28:46 PM
      - It's just the icing on the cake - azstrummer - 5/13/2009 11:32:13 PM
        
        Text of Obama's ASU speech - TB - 5/14/2009 4:17:41 AM
        
        Sounds like he talked to them as adults - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 2:29:15 PM
        
        Better hope a few of the students go for the gold instead. - TB - 5/14/2009 5:03:33 PM
        
        There'll be plenty of greedy ones left Tom - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 5:37:44 PM
        
        You don't get it. - TB - 5/14/2009 6:11:47 PM
        
        Oh, I don't get it - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 6:32:09 PM
        
        You get it. You just don't want it. - TB - 5/14/2009 11:07:07 PM
        
        I can not say what TB's goal is... - Jody - 5/14/2009 9:34:09 PM
        
        Somehow I get the sneakin' suspicion - Patsy The Predictable - 5/15/2009 8:28:29 AM
        
        Sometimes the lack of reply - azstrummer - 5/15/2009 1:55:47 PM
        
        I've got some bad news... - TB - 5/14/2009 4:11:49 AM
    - Okay - REB - 5/13/2009 7:04:16 PM
      - and that is God's truth! (n/t) - Eri - 5/14/2009 1:16:48 AM
      - People can believe what they want - azstrummer - 5/13/2009 9:57:56 PM
        
        re: People can believe what they want - Lindy - 5/14/2009 1:19:15 PM
        
        I rankled in Flame? - azstrummer - 5/14/2009 2:24:32 PM
        
        Snicker. (n/t) - Eri - 5/16/2009 3:32:26 AM
  - To be fair... - TB - 5/13/2009 6:41:32 PM
    - Fair enough (n/t) - REB - 5/13/2009 6:44:39 PM

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