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JFK - Had he lived much longer would have been disgraced. - bowser - 11/24/2013 6:18:46 AM
- Key phrase here being "in those days." - TB - 11/24/2013 7:50:46 PM
- Aw, he wasn't all bad, b . . . - DanS - 11/24/2013 2:18:17 PM

Kerry to announce Iran deal- any minute now. (n/t) - RobVG - 11/24/2013 2:37:23 AM
- Suspended nuke-tech growth . . . - DanS - 11/24/2013 2:13:17 PM
- Scratch that- Obama to speak. n/t - RobVG - 11/24/2013 3:16:01 AM

OECD - US 26th of 34 in healthcare outcomes, 1st in cost. What if that were a fighter aircraft? - bowser - 11/22/2013 4:35:55 PM
- What's included in the per capita figures? - RobVG - 11/23/2013 2:25:54 AM
  - The OECD 2013 report can be downloaded... - TB - 11/23/2013 3:25:31 AM

BIG BROTHER - Jody - 11/19/2013 5:31:20 PM
- Funny how republicans never cared about big brother until we elected a brother. - BuckGalaxy - 11/21/2013 7:57:03 PM
  - Re: Funny how republicans never cared about big brother until we elected a brother. - TB - 11/22/2013 12:09:34 AM
    - To some degree I believe it is true. - BuckGalaxy - 11/23/2013 12:35:49 AM
      - Paranoia? - TB - 11/23/2013 12:56:39 AM
- Anyone there look like you, Jody . . . ? - DanS - 11/20/2013 7:35:55 PM
  - *red faced* - Jody - 11/21/2013 9:43:12 PM
    - Thank god they don't have that here yet - FrankC - 11/22/2013 4:42:30 PM
    - Hey, wait a minute . . . - DanS - 11/22/2013 3:42:15 PM
      - OMG Dan! - Jody - 11/22/2013 4:17:29 PM
    - I live at the right time . . . - DanS - 11/22/2013 12:14:35 AM
- Cheek swabs are a standard technique to obtain your genetic information. - TB - 11/19/2013 6:00:03 PM
  - Exactly. - Jody - 11/19/2013 6:17:47 PM
    - I would have to have said no . . . - DanS - 11/20/2013 7:37:38 PM

No one in the history of the world has been this dumb. - bowser - 11/19/2013 7:25:56 PM
- One of many contingencies, b . . . - DanS - 11/20/2013 6:54:25 PM
- Well, we always knew there would be a 51st State... - FrankC - 11/20/2013 1:14:57 AM
  - The Trailways bus ride'll be hell. (n/t) - DanS - 11/20/2013 6:55:14 PM

Meanwhile in Venezuela... - TB - 11/6/2013 4:08:57 PM
- 100 businessmen arrested and jailed in Venezuela. - TB - 11/15/2013 3:55:12 PM
  - Probably something they did. - bowser - 11/18/2013 6:57:00 PM
- Venezuela - a 3rd world country which nationalized it's oil. - bowser - 11/13/2013 4:15:07 AM
  - Re: Venezuela - a 3rd world country which nationalized it's oil. - TB - 11/13/2013 6:21:13 PM
    - Yep, look at the US. - bowser - 11/14/2013 2:11:43 AM
      - I am. - TB - 11/14/2013 3:25:15 AM
- And more from Venezuela... - TB - 11/13/2013 3:56:54 AM
  - Isn't it the standard lesson that we've all learned a long time ago? - alcaray - 11/13/2013 9:04:28 PM

60 Minutes retracts Benghazi report - hank - 11/9/2013 1:13:53 PM
- Um, we actually "do" know what happened in Benghazi. - RobVG - 11/9/2013 5:50:20 PM
  - Lying is usually sufficient to disqualify you from being a source. - alcaray - 11/9/2013 10:07:19 PM
    - Not when the source's lies are essential to preserve conservative dogma. n/t - hank - 11/9/2013 11:27:45 PM
      - Remember that Iraqi expatriot who informed the Bush admin about all the WMD programs in Iraq? - alcaray - 11/9/2013 11:37:36 PM
        
        And of course . . . - DanS - 11/10/2013 4:08:07 AM
        
        So you would trust Saddam's word??? - alcaray - 11/10/2013 6:37:21 AM
        
        Hardly . . . - DanS - 11/10/2013 4:02:23 PM
        
        Impeaching the witness was what I thought we were talking about. - alcaray - 11/10/2013 5:23:38 PM
        
        Simply history. (n/t) - DanS - 11/10/2013 5:29:11 PM
  - If I laogh too hard, it really hurts . . . - DanS - 11/9/2013 8:07:23 PM
  - There's a small problem with the liberal thinking process here. - TB - 11/9/2013 7:56:08 PM

Lord help me, - podrock - 11/8/2013 2:36:21 AM
- Re: Lord help me, - TB - 11/8/2013 3:13:31 PM
- Yep. - bowser - 11/8/2013 3:09:32 AM
  - Many fear change. - alcaray - 11/8/2013 6:05:02 AM

Massive sting operation on internet child abuse - TB - 11/4/2013 11:55:37 PM
- Sharp! (n/t) - DanS - 11/7/2013 8:08:22 PM
- YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS! - Jody - 11/5/2013 2:15:24 AM

Important info (though not the proof or the statistics that we are waiting for) - alcaray - 11/4/2013 7:31:41 PM
- Cool - RobVG - 11/5/2013 3:49:07 AM
  - "Deceit" - TB - 11/5/2013 4:20:41 AM
    - What occupies my mind and in what percentages... and whether the percentages are correct... - alcaray - 11/5/2013 6:34:42 PM
      - Do the math. - TB - 11/5/2013 6:59:06 PM
        
        The insurance companies do not currently have the info to do the math. Only a liar would say that he does. - alcaray - 11/5/2013 7:07:40 PM
        
        Re: The insurance companies do not currently have the info to do the math. Only a liar would say that he does. - TB - 11/5/2013 7:20:04 PM
        
        Were you? - alcaray - 11/5/2013 8:08:51 PM
        
        I know someone who was. - TB - 11/6/2013 12:25:06 AM
    - People will listen to what they want to hear. - RobVG - 11/5/2013 4:49:46 AM
      - Some pay more; some pay less; some pay the same. - alcaray - 11/5/2013 6:37:41 PM
        
        I didn't present any numbers did I? - RobVG - 11/6/2013 12:13:51 AM
        
        You said "all people are talking about". I thought you might be talking about me, so I clarified my position. - alcaray - 11/6/2013 1:31:47 AM
        
        I didn't mean you. Mainly prominent people in the news. Also I've started to listen to NPR. - RobVG - 11/6/2013 3:27:49 PM
- Did you read the actual letters (linked in the article)? - TB - 11/4/2013 9:35:27 PM
  - I looked at them as opposed to reading them. - alcaray - 11/5/2013 6:50:10 PM
    - "I certainly did not go to their websites. How is that pertinent when the accusation was about their marketing?" - TB - 11/5/2013 7:47:53 PM
      - Next time you make the "they refuse to note the facts" argument, please recall this thread. - alcaray - 11/5/2013 8:10:26 PM
- We'll see - FrankC - 11/4/2013 9:24:21 PM
  - Insurance companies have just as hard a time as anyone predicting the future, when there's a big change to take account of. - alcaray - 11/5/2013 7:18:45 PM
    - Individuals predict the future... - FrankC - 11/5/2013 9:07:51 PM
      - And using the very best data they have available. And it is always a gamble. - alcaray - 11/5/2013 11:58:11 PM
  - I agree - SteveS - 11/5/2013 1:39:09 PM
    - Then there's the "generation war." - TB - 11/5/2013 3:48:53 PM
      - And rewriting history for the new generation - SteveS - 11/5/2013 4:21:34 PM
        
        To be fair, the signmaker might have been thinking "small-d" democrat. - TB - 11/5/2013 4:43:20 PM

Happy Guy Fawkes Day. - TB - 11/5/2013 6:24:49 PM
- Amen.:) - Jody - 11/6/2013 3:15:49 AM

On the way to energy independence - RobVG - 11/5/2013 5:06:12 PM

I rejoice in our healthcare! - Jody - 10/30/2013 2:57:10 AM
- Okay...so correct me...PLEASE...if I am wrong - Jody - 10/31/2013 11:48:24 PM
  - Notice the smooth transition, Jody? - TB - 11/1/2013 8:24:53 PM
    - It was a social experiment Tom. - Jody - 11/1/2013 11:41:19 PM
      - I guess the joke's on me - alcaray - 11/2/2013 1:59:01 AM
  - Your post is incomprehensible to me. I would help if I could. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 2:17:33 AM
    - S'all good. You and your ilk have done quite enough already. - Jody - 11/1/2013 3:19:59 AM
      - You made an extravagant claim. You gave no foundation for it. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 5:45:44 AM
        
        Not extravagant. - Jody - 11/1/2013 2:50:32 PM
        
        Who ya gonna believe? - Robert - 11/1/2013 9:04:52 PM
        
        There *was* a descrepancy, you and alcaray were absolutely right!!! - Jody - 11/1/2013 10:06:21 PM
        
        Even so: how was he covering his deductible for the old policy? You need to add everything up. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 11:01:45 PM
        
        Give up - Robert - 11/2/2013 12:22:58 AM
        
        I ain't no hoodrat - Jody - 11/2/2013 1:39:49 AM
        
        Bwahahaha it is all true. - Jody - 11/2/2013 12:47:20 AM
        
        Especially the numbers below that nobody wants to come within five miles of. - TB - 11/2/2013 1:26:56 AM
        
        Oh trust me I have added it all up - Jody - 11/2/2013 12:08:54 AM
        
        I guess I was wrong to call it "unverifiable" - Robert - 11/1/2013 10:50:33 PM
        
        He is 58 years old. - Jody - 11/1/2013 10:59:25 PM
        
        Did I call it or what? - TB - 11/1/2013 10:43:28 PM
        
        :) - Jody - 11/2/2013 12:09:47 AM
        
        Don't believe everything you read on the internet. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 6:05:23 PM
        
        And PS - alcaray - 11/1/2013 5:49:42 AM
- Another way to look at it... - SteveS - 10/31/2013 5:31:35 PM
- #1 in cost, #37 in outcomes. And some people love the status quo. - bowser - 10/31/2013 3:13:55 AM
  - The important thing is that preexisting mental illness is now covered under ObamaCare. - Robert - 10/31/2013 3:32:07 AM
    - Heh. - TB - 10/31/2013 4:01:46 PM
- Why did it go up? n/t - RobVG - 10/30/2013 3:06:43 AM
  - This may be one reason. - Jody - 10/30/2013 8:33:45 AM
    - Do you live in a state where they refused to set up an exchange? - alcaray - 10/30/2013 4:33:19 PM
- Ours went up $400 a month - TB - 10/30/2013 3:04:30 AM
  - You went through the CA exchange, and shopped, right? - alcaray - 10/30/2013 4:31:50 PM
    - I have employer-provided insurance, and it's Health Net. - TB - 10/30/2013 5:08:41 PM
      - Lots of folks benefit from the competetive listings on the exchanges. You don't have to earn the subsidy to benefit. - alcaray - 10/30/2013 6:45:35 PM
        
        There have been competitive listing websites online for years. - TB - 10/30/2013 7:02:57 PM
        
        If ACA did nothing new then never mind. - alcaray - 10/30/2013 7:56:31 PM
        
        Re: If ACA did nothing new then never mind. - TB - 10/30/2013 8:26:05 PM
        
        A lot of people are finding respectable savings, and improved policies. - alcaray - 10/30/2013 8:37:58 PM
        
        Numbers - SteveS - 10/31/2013 6:04:42 PM
        
        Statistics - alcaray - 10/31/2013 10:32:13 PM
        
        Assumptions - SteveS - 11/1/2013 5:17:39 PM
        
        9 million. - RobVG - 11/1/2013 1:35:07 AM
        
        Considerably less than that, right? - alcaray - 11/1/2013 5:40:23 AM
        
        You're right. Let's just make that 3 million. - RobVG - 11/1/2013 2:38:44 PM
        
        If you guys should wonder where you get your reputation as heartless bastards... - alcaray - 11/1/2013 6:07:19 PM
        
        I had to go to work. - RobVG - 11/2/2013 2:23:26 AM
        
        Did I say something controversial? - alcaray - 11/2/2013 7:31:07 PM
        
        Topic - RobVG - 11/3/2013 4:41:58 PM
        
        They aren't "sacrificed". And TB's "statistics" are merely predictions. - alcaray - 11/3/2013 6:26:59 PM
        
        Time out. - RobVG - 11/3/2013 8:08:58 PM
        
        Do you honestly think "clear numbers" will make an impression? - TB - 11/3/2013 8:44:53 PM
        
        Well, if you weren' - alcaray - 11/3/2013 8:41:06 PM
        
        Re: 9 million. - TB - 11/1/2013 3:36:26 AM
        
        miles from earth? - alcaray - 11/1/2013 5:35:29 AM
        
        Wait until the employer mandate hits. - TB - 10/31/2013 10:54:25 PM
        
        I wonder how part D would have destroyed the universe, if it hadn't been a Republican invention. - alcaray - 10/31/2013 11:23:58 PM
        
        Nope. - TB - 10/31/2013 11:42:20 PM
        
        I guess I am too stupid to see the connection between your post and Gruber's statistics. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 1:19:33 AM
        
        You know, I'm going to actually give this a shot: - TB - 11/1/2013 3:47:25 AM
        
        Sorry, when you said "statistics" I thought you contested his numbers somehow. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 5:25:01 AM
        
        I contested Gruber's whole damn premise. - TB - 11/1/2013 3:47:47 PM
        
        jello-nailing = convincing your opposite number that you are right and he is wrong. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 6:11:21 PM
        
        P.S. - TB - 10/31/2013 11:07:18 PM

"Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance" - RobVG - 10/29/2013 4:01:41 PM
- And there are millions more without any insurance... - ER - 10/29/2013 7:06:19 PM
- Seriously - Robert - 10/29/2013 5:17:21 PM
  - Serioulsy? - RobVG - 10/30/2013 2:08:42 AM
    - Singing the praises of the ACA - Robert - 10/30/2013 2:22:43 AM
      - zAnd that's what it's all about isn't it? - SDAI-Tech - 10/30/2013 5:01:06 AM
        
        Cool! - alcaray - 10/30/2013 4:36:08 PM
        
        Yeah,,, - SDAI-Tech - 11/3/2013 8:31:03 AM
      - Sniping? Posting a story that's all over the news on CE is "Sniping"? n/t - RobVG - 10/30/2013 3:00:12 AM
      - Re: Singing the praises of the ACA - TB - 10/30/2013 2:46:29 AM
- Well, at least now you know what the response is. :) - TB - 10/29/2013 4:34:01 PM
  - A one-year delay will not occur unless it is because of Republican mischief. - alcaray - 10/29/2013 6:18:09 PM
  - I think it's here to stay and I'd rather see them delay it than try to push through a kludge. n/t - RobVG - 10/29/2013 4:55:52 PM
    - A little more info on that story you linked... - TB - 10/29/2013 5:33:28 PM
- Persistence - Robert - 10/29/2013 4:25:55 PM
- Any time you make a law that affects insurance, then there is change to policies. - alcaray - 10/29/2013 4:25:52 PM

ACA and smoking - RobVG - 10/26/2013 3:05:39 AM
- Bad drivers hate that their record is known to their auto insurers too. - alcaray - 10/27/2013 2:01:18 AM
- What a load of horse shit - Jody - 10/26/2013 4:17:49 PM
  - Are you and I the only smokers left here - FrankC - 10/27/2013 1:40:46 AM
  - A lot of employers are asking that now. - ER - 10/26/2013 5:54:39 PM
    - BINGO - Jody - 10/26/2013 6:07:03 PM
  - I don't get the indignation here. - TB - 10/26/2013 5:11:43 PM
    - "You don't drink don't smoke, what do ya do?" - RobVG - 10/26/2013 6:11:27 PM
      - looks like a trade-off - Robert - 10/27/2013 2:55:59 AM
        
        It's easy to dump on smokers. - ER - 10/27/2013 4:49:36 AM
        
        Single payer, the universal solvent. - Robert - 10/28/2013 4:35:42 AM
        
        They cost me money. They harm my health. - alcaray - 10/27/2013 11:09:56 PM
        
        They aren't apologetic. Instead they are quite strident. - alcaray - 10/27/2013 11:10:38 PM
      - "It’s one thing when your insurance company asks if you smoke. It’s another when it’s a government condition for using the health exchange." - ER - 10/26/2013 6:41:09 PM
        
        "Shoppers" - RobVG - 10/26/2013 7:09:56 PM
        
        It's fraud if you do it directly to an insurance company, too. - alcaray - 10/26/2013 9:51:25 PM
        
        The government isn't selling you the insurance. - ER - 10/26/2013 8:19:26 PM
        
        EDIT: - ER - 10/26/2013 8:43:12 PM
        
        I can't argue with any of that. n/t - RobVG - 10/27/2013 1:27:27 AM
        
        Still digging. - RobVG - 10/26/2013 8:42:41 PM
    - I didn't say it shouldn't... - Jody - 10/26/2013 5:39:31 PM
- Re: ACA and smoking - TB - 10/26/2013 3:37:05 AM
  - That was initially a matter of attention to the road . . . - DanS - 10/27/2013 6:19:19 PM
    - Not inane. Mostly, it's statistics. - TB - 10/27/2013 6:35:26 PM

"Arrival of Obamacare forcing insurers to drop customers with low coverage" - RobVG - 10/25/2013 4:32:41 AM
- You do know what would cure that instantly, don't you? - Robert - 10/25/2013 4:23:51 PM
  - Yup. The ACA is probably just a foot in the door. n/t - RobVG - 10/25/2013 11:31:10 PM
    - And that's a good thing. - Robert - 10/25/2013 11:43:15 PM
- It's a no-brainer--like adopting the metric system. - ER - 10/25/2013 11:30:47 AM
- You can't make real mayonnaise without breaking a few eggs... - FrankC - 10/25/2013 7:21:40 AM

Yes please - Robert - 10/25/2013 3:27:17 PM
- That's mighty white of him. - ER - 10/25/2013 5:04:14 PM

Petition to make the source code for healthcare.gov open source - Robert - 10/23/2013 6:27:08 PM

American Democracy has been strengthened - BuckGalaxy - 10/17/2013 6:47:43 PM
- Listen to the Words - ER - 10/18/2013 12:46:03 AM
  - Hysterical note - ER - 10/18/2013 1:09:10 AM
- That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger - Robert - 10/17/2013 11:52:53 PM
  - Moved the subthread about bowser to Community - Robert - 10/23/2013 5:30:20 PM

The war on drugs - Jody - 10/17/2013 5:45:52 PM

Rep. Chris Van Hollen on "The GOP's little rule change they hoped you wouldn't notice" - Robert - 10/15/2013 6:56:39 PM
- They plugged the drain, filled the tub, tried to drown the government. - podrock - 10/17/2013 2:59:41 AM
  - (snort) - Robert - 10/17/2013 4:24:12 AM
- Contempt for democracy? - RobVG - 10/17/2013 1:12:37 AM
  - Seriously? - alcaray - 10/17/2013 2:50:47 AM
  - Seriously? - Robert - 10/17/2013 2:04:03 AM
    - Oops! I see I aped your subject line. - alcaray - 10/17/2013 2:51:30 AM
      - I prefer the term "rendered an homage" - Robert - 10/17/2013 6:49:31 AM
  - What majority? - ER - 10/17/2013 2:00:14 AM
- The Reichstag is on fire, and they're blaming the Communists. - ER - 10/15/2013 7:06:40 PM
  - Not to worry. - bowser - 10/15/2013 7:30:09 PM

The aftermath - alcaray - 10/16/2013 9:48:21 PM
- At least we kept our bond rating intact this time. - alcaray - 10/17/2013 12:16:41 AM
- "Incredible victory" says Sen Cruz - Tony - 10/17/2013 12:10:11 AM
- Not to mention the costs due to lost efficiencies, economies of scale, adjustments, etc. - ER - 10/16/2013 10:30:21 PM

Klein: Baby Boomers Ruined The Government - ER - 10/16/2013 5:20:24 AM

Emergency rooms - TB - 10/15/2013 3:14:14 AM
- hmmm - alcaray - 10/15/2013 4:45:34 AM
  - "I never heard of this either." - TB - 10/15/2013 3:02:26 PM
    - I heard your guys say over and over that we didn't need to worry about the uninsured... - alcaray - 10/15/2013 7:00:54 PM
    - Have you ever been in an inner city ER? - Tony - 10/15/2013 3:39:36 PM
      - Probably Medicaid. - TB - 10/15/2013 4:16:29 PM
      - Maybe there's reason that over a third of ERs closed down - Tony - 10/15/2013 4:09:56 PM
        
        No matter. Those PEEPLE don't matter. - ER - 10/15/2013 4:22:20 PM
        
        Re: No matter. Those PEEPLE don't matter. - TB - 10/15/2013 4:35:15 PM
        
        None whatsoever. - ER - 10/15/2013 5:10:04 PM
        
        In short, you got nothing except "siddown and shut the f**k up!" - TB - 10/15/2013 6:25:53 PM
        
        Lock and load. He's coming back. - ER - 10/15/2013 6:32:37 PM
        
        And, he underlines it. - TB - 10/15/2013 6:44:00 PM

Dave Ramsey on the Affordable Care Act. - Jody - 10/15/2013 2:11:28 AM
- The math tells us... - FrankC - 10/15/2013 8:12:08 AM
  - Anything that is subsidized becomes expensive. - TB - 10/15/2013 2:43:55 PM

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