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This is getting silly- Fed printing up more money to thow at bad banks. - Yeti - 3/25/2008 4:17:59 PM
- the USA has over $140 Trillion in financial assets... - TAFKASE - 3/26/2008 1:33:19 PM
  - It's an election year. (n/t) - TB - 3/26/2008 5:57:16 PM
  - re: Economics 101 - Yeti - 3/26/2008 3:00:51 PM
    - You are a philosopher king - TAFKASE - 3/26/2008 6:31:37 PM
      - No - Yeti - 3/26/2008 6:46:35 PM
        
        Oh, but you do have a Phd in economics? - TAFKASE - 3/26/2008 6:55:26 PM
        
        Wow, the hypocrisy is so thick I could cut it with a bandsaw - Yeti - 3/26/2008 9:02:01 PM
        
        Government tries to fix complex equipment by slamming it with a sledge hammer... - TB - 3/27/2008 1:04:51 AM
    - re: Economics 101 - TB - 3/26/2008 6:24:03 PM
      - re: Economics 101 - Yeti - 3/26/2008 6:45:15 PM
        
        Wasn't arguing, just putting up a number. (n/t) - TB - 3/26/2008 7:09:23 PM
        
        re: "It's an election year" - Yeti - 3/26/2008 9:07:32 PM
        
        re: "It's an election year" - TB - 3/26/2008 10:39:46 PM
- Let's not go overboard. - alcaray - 3/25/2008 4:57:15 PM
  - Yep, true, but the fed is handing out absurdly low rates - Yeti - 3/25/2008 5:59:07 PM
    - in other words - Yeti - 3/25/2008 6:02:50 PM
      - There are a lot of people who believe that the US just prints money to pay debts. - alcaray - 3/25/2008 8:38:31 PM
        
        Yeah, well, I disagree with your statement. - Yeti - 3/25/2008 9:43:23 PM
        
        Which statement do you disagree with (at this point)? (n/t) - alcaray - 3/25/2008 10:52:07 PM
        
        That there is a problem with saying that the fed is printing money to try to stop this crisis. (n/t) - Yeti - 3/25/2008 11:17:00 PM
        
        Well, using satirical language, I guess it is accurate. - alcaray - 3/26/2008 12:22:25 AM
        
        I do see your point. - Yeti - 3/26/2008 4:47:12 AM
- re: This is getting silly - TB - 3/25/2008 4:34:40 PM
  - re: This is getting silly - Yeti - 3/25/2008 4:48:03 PM
    - re: This is getting silly - TB - 3/25/2008 5:06:33 PM
- BTW - Yeti - 3/25/2008 4:21:56 PM
  - How much PAPER and INK does it take? - carl - 3/25/2008 5:10:21 PM
    - That's what our military is now for. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/25/2008 6:50:00 PM
      - Like I said before: China's ENTIRE ECONOMY is smaller than the American Government, - TAFKASE - 3/26/2008 7:07:35 PM
        
        I look at factory growth. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/27/2008 2:30:01 AM

This deserves as much attention as possible - Yeti - 3/26/2008 3:49:56 PM
- Hmm. - RobV - 3/26/2008 11:33:48 PM
- It sounds like the lady's lawyer is the real crook here not Walmart - TAFKASE - 3/26/2008 6:49:49 PM
- re: This deserves as much attention as possible - TB - 3/26/2008 5:52:08 PM
  - Mommy, they did it too? - Yeti - 3/26/2008 6:43:13 PM
    - Your Oedipus complex is getting a bit unnerving. - Lee - 3/27/2008 12:24:55 AM
      - *Yawn* - Yeti - 3/27/2008 12:42:23 AM
    - No. - TB - 3/26/2008 7:07:48 PM
- re: This deserves as much attention as possible - REB - 3/26/2008 4:05:19 PM
  - Its done. They one. They had the rights - Yeti - 3/26/2008 6:42:37 PM
    - err... Its done. They *WON*. They had the rights :-) (n/t) - Yeti - 3/26/2008 9:05:28 PM

I guess their business models assumed the two competing companies had a monopoly. - alcaray - 3/26/2008 4:13:47 PM
- re: I guess their business models assumed the two competing companies had a monopoly. - gbaikie - 3/26/2008 9:35:00 PM

Meanwhile, speaking of trillions... - TB - 3/25/2008 6:15:00 PM
- that article doesn't even mention the unfunded pension liability for the 2 million or so government workers. - TAFKASE - 3/26/2008 7:04:03 PM
- Can you see a difference - - - - Bowser - 3/26/2008 2:53:32 AM
  - Sure. - TB - 3/26/2008 4:26:09 AM

Hillary leads Obama big in critical stat - Buck Galaxy - 3/24/2008 11:37:23 PM
- Oh how absurd - azstrummer - 3/25/2008 4:39:12 PM
  - OKay - Buck Galaxy - 3/25/2008 9:09:12 PM
    - McCain - azstrummer - 3/25/2008 10:03:11 PM
      - re: McCain - Buck Galaxy - 3/26/2008 4:22:35 AM
        
        If they're licking their chops - azstrummer - 3/26/2008 1:21:40 PM
        
        why are (Repubs) still trying so hard to have Hillary be the nominee - Buck Galaxy - 3/26/2008 3:00:24 PM
        
        "Brokered convention." Bingo. - TB - 3/26/2008 6:29:06 PM
- It's the ultimate GOP conspiracy... - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/25/2008 12:40:18 AM

BUSH'S WAR - carl - 3/25/2008 3:14:59 PM
- re: BUSH'S WAR - REB - 3/26/2008 1:46:12 PM
  - CIA runs COVERT OPS against BUSH RE-ELECT? - carel - 3/26/2008 5:12:58 PM
- A review - TB - 3/25/2008 4:24:15 PM
  - For CIA to use INTELLIGENCE in Moniker - carl - 3/25/2008 5:07:22 PM
- re: BUSH'S WAR - Raoul - 3/25/2008 3:46:41 PM

Bomb, bomb, bomb; bomb, bomb Ira -- - Socrates II - 3/26/2008 3:20:51 PM
- Level the LAND - carl - 3/26/2008 5:11:17 PM

Amazing brain scientist experiances a stroke; documents events real time - Jack Herer - 3/26/2008 11:47:57 AM
- truly remarkable - McFly - 3/26/2008 5:05:03 PM

Another... - Yeti - 3/25/2008 7:24:54 PM
- re: Another... - TB - 3/25/2008 9:46:14 PM
  - re: Another... - ARRELL - 3/26/2008 6:37:50 AM
  - BTW, that Antartica image is at least 4 years old. (n/t) - et - 3/26/2008 1:26:03 AM
  - re: Another... - Here's another... picture: - Marcia - 3/26/2008 12:40:05 AM
    - Ross isn't the formation in question this time. Its the peninsula. (n/t) - Yeti - 3/26/2008 12:41:34 AM
  - re: Ice has been falling off this area for some time. (Ya Think?) - Yeti - 3/25/2008 9:58:30 PM
    - re: Ya Think? - TB - 3/25/2008 10:19:00 PM
      - re: Ya Think? - Yeti - 3/25/2008 10:31:42 PM
        
        Details - TB - 3/26/2008 2:21:48 AM
        
        how does this possibly present a contradiction - Yeti - 3/26/2008 4:24:11 AM
        
        re: contradiction? - TB - 3/26/2008 4:36:53 AM
        
        re: "We'll know more when[....]" - Yeti - 3/26/2008 1:33:22 PM

TB: "In a few years, everyone will see if it's worth it or not.", - 1/13/2004 4:09:28 PM - arrell - 3/24/2008 10:34:27 PM
- Was it worth it? - REB - 3/25/2008 1:43:52 PM
- re: TB: "In a few years, everyone will see if it's worth it or not.", - 1/13/2004 4:09:28 PM - gbaikie - 3/25/2008 2:27:59 AM
- Is your boss picking on you at work, or something? - TB - 3/24/2008 10:56:21 PM
  - The question - Is this situation worth $3 trillion and 4000 American lives? - Bowser - 3/25/2008 4:36:07 AM
  - You mean he's got a job? - Lee - 3/24/2008 11:42:07 PM
    - He's extra cranky... The unemployment checks are about to run out. - TAFKASE - 3/25/2008 12:54:05 PM
    - Not sure, actually. - TB - 3/24/2008 11:49:38 PM
      - Still not answering the question... - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 11:54:07 PM
        
        Actually, I did. - TB - 3/25/2008 2:28:54 AM
        
        People _on this board_ predicted exactly the mess we are in... - ARRELL - 3/26/2008 6:34:01 AM
        
        "you are nowhere close to informed enough on this subject to hold a useful discussion " This from a simpering political hack that has been WRONG every damn time on this issue... by your own words tha… - ARRELL - 3/25/2008 2:55:59 AM
        
        I kind of like the little rainbows your spit makes in the sun when you get all worked up... (n/t) - TB - 3/25/2008 4:07:38 AM
        
        I forgot.... - ARRELL - 3/25/2008 4:47:41 AM
        
        "On the contrary, sir, I think of this project as very important. It is you I take lightly." (n/t) - James T. Kirk - 3/25/2008 2:50:52 PM
        
        And I have yet to simper! (n/t) - TB - 3/25/2008 4:30:22 AM
        
        Can't you use ALL CAPS as well... - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/25/2008 3:36:32 AM
  - Not going to answer? (n/t) - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 11:00:06 PM
    - And the other question you are transparently evading... - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 11:12:02 PM
- Yes it was worth it. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/24/2008 10:51:44 PM
  - Yep it's always worth it when it's not your ass on the line. - azstrummer - 3/25/2008 4:42:22 PM
  - Soldiers being put in harms way is beyond some people. - Lee - 3/24/2008 11:29:24 PM
    - And civilians being killed and maimed and displaced doesn't matter to some people... - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 11:34:39 PM
      - You seem to be at a loss concerning who's doing the maiming and displacing. - Lee - 3/24/2008 11:46:12 PM
  - Thank you.... "or basically less than the amount we lose to traffic accidents in two weeks time.", so..... 9-11 was no big deal then.... - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 11:03:33 PM
    - Your scale is death. Mine is freedom. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/25/2008 12:32:51 AM

Iraq, $5,000 Per Second? - Algorithms - 3/23/2008 2:42:35 PM
- "So, I have a wager for you. If no significant amounts* of WMD show up before the next election, I?ll vote for a Democrat. " - ROBVG - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 9:23:10 PM
  - You got me, and it looks like I will. - RobVG - 3/25/2008 1:46:55 AM
    - No he's jut parnoid and needs a life. - TAFKASE - 3/25/2008 12:57:26 PM
      - More like borderline stalking. - Lee - 3/26/2008 4:12:16 AM
    - You didn't say vote for what though. - Lee - 3/25/2008 2:55:42 AM
    - The Yeti Chuckles sadly, and remembers when he used to write such better stuff. - Yeti - 3/25/2008 2:40:20 AM
      - You bet Bud. (n/t) - RobVG - 3/25/2008 3:55:28 AM
      - Correction - Yeti - 3/25/2008 2:42:36 AM
- re: Cheney doesnâ€™t care about the American publicâ€™s views on the war - Eric - 3/24/2008 4:27:19 PM
  - No, he cares about some Americans views. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/25/2008 2:13:44 AM
  - re: Unfortunately, the transcript does not capture the snide smirk he had on his face- that was the real priceless part. (n/t) - Yeti - 3/24/2008 4:41:32 PM
    - re: Video - Eric - 3/24/2008 5:44:13 PM
      - Thanks. (n/t) - Yeti - 3/24/2008 6:52:08 PM
- And for what? (n/t) - Bowser - 3/24/2008 4:07:49 PM
- 4000 Americans dead, well over 30,000 Americans wounded, a total cost of ~3000 billion dollars.... - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 2:23:06 AM
  - 4,000 - Algorithms - 3/24/2008 2:38:24 AM
  - re: 4000 Americans dead, well over 30,000 Americans wounded, a total cost of ~3000 billion dollars.... - TB - 3/24/2008 2:29:45 AM
    - Your words - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 3:04:19 AM
      - And yeah, I WILL continue to bring that quote up over and over until you own up to it... (n/t) - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 1:52:52 PM
      - It's always 6 months. - Tony - 3/24/2008 12:45:08 PM
        
        Well, Tony- a good bald-faced lie takes time.... - Yeti - 3/24/2008 3:53:54 PM
    - Kinda convienient that we dont keep track of civilian deaths, isn't it - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 2:45:14 AM
      - Civilian deaths - TB - 3/24/2008 4:54:38 AM
        
        BTW, For those playing at home that makes 50,000 iraqi civillians dead just in the last 2 years as aknowledged by TB... - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 11:55:10 AM
        
        But unless 'coalition' (snurk! He still uses that word!) forces put a bullett in them, they don't count. - Yeti - 3/24/2008 2:08:32 PM
        
        "Coalition forces were responsible for about 600 of about 26,000 civilians killed. In 2007, Coalition forces accounted for about 1,200 of 24,000 civilians killed." - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 11:49:55 AM
        
        It's a simple question, TB, surely you have nothing to fear by answering it... - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 8:58:28 PM
        
        No - Lee - 3/24/2008 5:55:17 PM
        
        :) There is a reason that TB is not answering, I am not surprised you missed it... - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 9:01:05 PM
        
        Just as funny now as it was then. - Lee - 3/24/2008 10:44:21 PM
        
        And now, just as then, you are the ONLY one laughing... (n/t) - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 10:50:41 PM
        
        I take it you don't like bush meat. (n/t) - Lee - 3/26/2008 4:05:08 AM
        
        50,000 dead is 18.2 times the 9-11 death toll in a country that has 1/11 th our population - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 2:29:18 PM
      - Shall we also consider the millions of displaced citizens? - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 3:18:30 AM
    - And the $3 trillion? Still crap. (n/t) - TB - 3/24/2008 2:30:36 AM
      - nope, still pretty reasonable... but hey, tell you what, lets start with you justifying this with a price tag 1/3rd that much... - Arrell - 3/24/2008 2:47:14 AM
        
        I recall the good old days - Tony - 3/24/2008 12:36:43 PM
        
        Wish we could evoke that precedent now - Yeti - 3/24/2008 6:51:28 PM
        
        Ahhh yes, the good old days "It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."- Rumsfeld - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 1:27:04 PM
  - ugh, typo - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 2:26:10 AM

America's Most Admired companies. - Jody - 3/25/2008 5:11:02 PM

From The Democrats Can't Stop Lying Dept. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/25/2008 6:39:12 AM
- "And anyone wonders why Democrat politicians are synonymous with pathological liars?" - Steve - 3/25/2008 4:12:42 PM
- Injected in the same vein... - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/25/2008 7:01:28 AM

US and Saudi Arabia agree to $85-90 per barrel - Jack Herer - 3/25/2008 12:59:47 PM

Traitors Amongst Us - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/25/2008 2:29:04 AM

Reasons to stay in Iraq. - Bowser - 3/24/2008 4:06:33 PM
- re: Reasons to stay in Iraq. - TB - 3/24/2008 4:39:52 PM
  - Isn't it tempting for the US to play the role of a colonial empire? (n/t) - Raoul - 3/24/2008 9:42:29 PM
    - You say that with a straight face? LOL! (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/25/2008 1:46:01 AM
    - Can you be more specific? - TB - 3/24/2008 10:03:38 PM
  - It' like explaining the concept of potty training to a 2 month old. - Lee - 3/24/2008 5:27:24 PM
  - Help me out here - Yeti - 3/24/2008 4:50:49 PM
    - Sure. - TB - 3/24/2008 5:25:11 PM
      - FYI, what's going on in Iraq - TB - 3/24/2008 6:17:37 PM
        
        You know... - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/25/2008 1:44:33 AM
    - Well stated. (n/t) - Bowser - 3/24/2008 5:04:25 PM

News from the Leftists' Favorite Socialist Paradise... - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/24/2008 10:12:09 PM

Massive increase in US oil reserves - JEKing - 3/21/2008 6:06:25 PM
- re: If the map shown is correct, the formation extends well into Canada also... - TAFKASE - 3/24/2008 4:29:10 PM
- Drilling for oil to start in Falkland Islands - gbaikie - 3/23/2008 12:24:05 AM
- Good news - TB - 3/21/2008 7:12:58 PM
  - Local production in Texas - REB - 3/24/2008 12:10:52 PM
  - A double edged sword - Buck Galaxy - 3/22/2008 10:12:37 PM
    - 100 percent? Not likely. - TB - 3/22/2008 11:12:21 PM
      - Jeez a simple question - Buck Galaxy - 3/23/2008 1:18:24 AM
        
        re: Jeez a simple question - TB - 3/23/2008 1:57:10 AM
      - re: 100 percent? Not likely. - gbaikie - 3/23/2008 12:13:02 AM
  - re: Good news - gbaikie - 3/21/2008 8:53:48 PM
  - I've got my fingers crossed. - ER - 3/21/2008 7:40:40 PM
    - Oil is a lot more plentiful than folks realize. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/21/2008 9:06:04 PM
      - re: Oil is a lot more plentiful than folks realize. - gbaikie - 3/21/2008 9:22:49 PM
        
        When they need more of it... - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/21/2008 9:30:25 PM
        
        re: When they need more of it... - gbaikie - 3/21/2008 10:21:40 PM

Pilot's gun discharges on US Airways flight - Eric - 3/24/2008 8:44:31 AM
- Repeat after the NRA... - ARRELL - 3/24/2008 10:30:22 AM

An amazing insight into Reverend Wright - azstrummer - 3/21/2008 1:30:55 PM
- This was very moving - LAMM - 3/21/2008 2:54:19 PM
  - Don't count me as one sitting in the pews. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/21/2008 9:41:38 PM
- Not going to work. - TB - 3/21/2008 2:05:23 PM
  - "Let there be peace...and let it begin with me" (n/t) - Jody - 3/21/2008 9:04:17 PM
  - Don't bet on it Tom. - azstrummer - 3/21/2008 2:30:50 PM
    - If there was one McCain staffer who ownes a Confederate Flag - TAFKASE - 3/21/2008 5:32:06 PM
      - re: If there was one McCain staffer who ownes a Confederate Flag - azstrummer - 3/21/2008 7:57:07 PM
        
        re: If there was one McCain staffer who ownes a Confederate Flag - gbaikie - 3/23/2008 12:56:25 AM
        
        remember the fawning over Bush (and his bulge??!!??) when he arrived on the aircraft carrier... - alcaray - 3/23/2008 7:17:57 PM
        
        re: remember the fawning over Bush (and his bulge??!!??) when he arrived on the aircraft carrier... - gbaikie - 3/23/2008 10:37:40 PM
        
        Wasn't talking about the media. Was talking about our friends right here. - alcaray - 3/24/2008 12:54:38 AM
    - re: Don't bet on it - TB - 3/21/2008 3:56:17 PM
      - Ok Tom, hang your hat on that idea - azstrummer - 3/21/2008 8:02:55 PM
        
        It's not the character issue - Buck Galaxy - 3/23/2008 3:18:41 AM
        
        Cool. Dueling fan clubs. (n/t) - TB - 3/23/2008 4:56:39 AM
        
        Obama the boy scout. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/21/2008 9:25:55 PM
        
        *Tsk Tsk* - Jody - 3/22/2008 12:36:13 AM

Obama strikes back! - Buck Galaxy - 3/22/2008 3:12:32 AM
- It also shows how mainstream people like Wright are within the Democratic hierarchy. - Lee - 3/22/2008 3:57:43 AM
  - re: It also shows how mainstream people like Wright are within the Democratic hierarchy. - Buck Galaxy - 3/22/2008 4:19:37 AM
    - I'm not sure they can. - Lee - 3/22/2008 4:39:07 AM
      - So what bothers you? - Buck Galaxy - 3/23/2008 1:19:46 AM
        
        Mostly it's the hypocrisy. (n/t) - Lee - 3/23/2008 2:16:10 AM
        
        Consider it a readjustment period - Buck Galaxy - 3/23/2008 3:35:42 AM
    - re: It also shows how mainstream people like Wright are within the Democratic hierarchy. - gbaikie - 3/22/2008 4:36:51 AM
      - You didn't read my Hagee post? (n/t) - alcaray - 3/22/2008 7:08:07 AM
        
        Not sure, I would guess not (n/t) - gbaikie - 3/23/2008 2:18:32 AM
        
        -ctrl- F is your friend (n/t) - alcaray - 3/23/2008 3:55:56 AM
        
        re: -ctrl- F is your friend - gbaikie - 3/23/2008 10:54:41 AM
        
        re: -ctrl- F is your friend - alcaray - 3/23/2008 3:29:14 PM
        
        re: -ctrl- F is your friend - gbaikie - 3/23/2008 8:05:44 PM
        
        re: -ctrl- F is your friend - alcaray - 3/24/2008 12:48:35 AM
        
        Gbaikie- the 'Special' Olympian of posters... (n/t) - ARRELL - 3/23/2008 7:36:48 PM
        
        re: Gbaikie- the 'Special' Olympian of posters... - gbaikie - 3/23/2008 11:23:58 PM

Wow! What backstabbing! - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/21/2008 11:43:39 PM
- Not a loyal authoritarian and capable of changing mind. Must be a horrifying concept for you. (n/t) - et - 3/22/2008 11:06:47 PM
  - Tell James Carville. - TB - 3/23/2008 2:01:27 AM
    - Sure. He's unbiased with no stake in the outcome. Why ever would HE spin this? - et - 3/23/2008 2:36:27 AM
  - No... - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/23/2008 1:48:54 AM

Surprised that ea aren't talking about this... - ARRELL - 3/20/2008 6:32:26 AM
- More support - TB - 3/21/2008 7:19:12 PM
  - not enough - ARRELL - 3/21/2008 8:35:06 PM
    - Don't know what you hope to accomplish. - Lee - 3/22/2008 3:23:29 AM
    - re: not enough - TB - 3/22/2008 2:07:20 AM
- We have. Communism kills. - TAFKASE - 3/20/2008 5:02:38 PM
  - Communism kills- so do wars without justification (n/t) - ARRELL - 3/20/2008 6:45:51 PM
  - Tell Google about it. - ER - 3/20/2008 5:35:34 PM
    - maybe we will be luck and see a true revolution in China during our lifetimes... - TAFKASE - 3/20/2008 5:45:37 PM
- Nah, we do too much business with China. - ER - 3/20/2008 9:54:09 AM
  - U.S. has showed support for Tibet - TB - 3/20/2008 2:48:56 PM
    - re: U.S. has showed support for Tibet - Publius - 3/20/2008 10:49:44 PM
      - Religious leaders - TB - 3/21/2008 1:55:10 AM
    - Maybe the Obama Administrations will find a diplomatic solution. - TAFKASE - 3/20/2008 5:04:19 PM

Obama's foreign policy - TB - 3/20/2008 2:34:56 AM
- "Im asking you to believe" - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/22/2008 12:00:05 AM

No free ride for Obama from the media - Buck Galaxy - 3/20/2008 12:40:44 AM
- I don't think he needs a free ride - McFly - 3/20/2008 2:09:10 AM
  - Not a free ride, balance - azstrummer - 3/20/2008 1:09:30 PM
    - I don't think you understand religon. - TAFKASE - 3/20/2008 2:20:47 PM
      - Preaching hate - azstrummer - 3/21/2008 2:54:00 PM
      - Obama's been linked with a race baiting "preacher" named Meeks as well. - Lee - 3/20/2008 9:45:43 PM
        
        Best laugh I've had all day - azstrummer - 3/21/2008 8:04:04 PM
        
        Not shocked by them - Lee - 3/21/2008 10:46:55 PM

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