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re: Suspects' rights vs. protecting the innocent

gbaikie — 9/6/2003 10:31:22 PM (archived)

"Let's remember that the suspects are also innocent until proven guilty. If you will use the vocabulary of justice, you must use all of it."

Ok, what is guilty?
What would have been acceptable behavior, after Gulf war I?
Are we going to accept the notion that Saddam committed a "crime" by starting Gulf war I? If so what was his punishment? Could you not say he was put sort of put in jail or at least on parole. What were the conditions of this?
In American law if a person is guilty of a felony, thereafter that person may not carry firearms. Similarly, Saddam was required not to have WMD- we didn't make the unreasonable demand that he could not have other conventional weapons. So it's sort of like having a law that say anyone who commits a felony may not possess tanks or long range artillery.

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Old Warhorse's Opinion - alcaray - 9/5/2003 5:38:48 PM
- re: Old Warhorse's Opinion - Mark Eby - 9/6/2003 4:48:28 AM
  - You mis-state my position - alcaray - 9/6/2003 10:51:46 PM
    - Maybe, Maybe Not - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 1:49:24 AM
  - Uh Mary-Anne The American Justice System Doesn't Have Jurisdiction Over Iraq - Mark Eby - 9/6/2003 3:00:34 PM
    - If you don't mean a thing, then don't use the language - Mary Anne - 9/6/2003 4:51:00 PM
      - I Do Mean It And You're Missing The Point - Mark Eby - 9/6/2003 5:08:57 PM
        
        We violate the law in order to preserve it. - Mary Anne - 9/6/2003 11:58:34 PM
        
        PS International Law Is Not Law If It's Not Enforced (n/t) - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 1:09:07 AM
        
        Law is always law whether it's enforced or not. - Mary Anne - 9/7/2003 3:29:14 AM
        
        Apply It To Yourself - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 9:44:38 PM
        
        Invasion was agreed upon? - Mary Anne - 9/7/2003 11:29:06 PM
        
        Tom Please Quote Here The Final Resolution and Others Applicable. I Bet You Have The Links Handy - Mark Eby - 9/8/2003 1:39:48 AM
        
        Resolution and Others Applicable - Tom Brosz - 9/8/2003 10:24:35 PM
        
        Password, please - Mary Anne - 9/9/2003 3:49:38 AM
        
        Sorry... - Tom Brosz - 9/10/2003 11:56:40 PM
        
        No. Iraq Violated It's Obligations - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 1:03:33 AM
        
        re: Did it? - Raoul - 9/7/2003 7:36:59 PM
        
        Yes - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 9:26:05 PM
        
        re: consequences - Raoul - 9/8/2003 7:13:23 PM
        
        Then Explain This - Mark Eby - 9/9/2003 3:57:40 AM
        
        Ah, yet another version of why we are allowed to invade other countries - Mary Anne - 9/7/2003 3:19:01 AM
        
        My Reasons Are The Same As They've Always Been - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 5:13:10 AM
        
        Correction - Mary Anne - 9/7/2003 4:10:09 AM
  - Suspects' rights vs. protecting the innocent - Mary Anne - 9/6/2003 12:12:43 PM
    - re: Suspects' rights vs. protecting the innocent - gbaikie - 9/6/2003 10:31:22 PM
      - "Similarly, Saddam was required not to have WMD" - Mary Anne - 9/6/2003 11:52:54 PM
        
        re: "Similarly, Saddam was required not to have WMD" & To Demonstrate It - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 1:08:03 AM
        
        A Primer - Fox - 9/7/2003 5:59:55 AM
        
        re: A Primer - Davin L. - 10/31/2003 10:09:41 PM
        
        Your Primer Left Out The Same Facts As Don Sooo Convenient - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 9:37:32 PM
        
        "Tyrant enabling excuses"? - Fox - 9/7/2003 11:29:43 PM
        
        Somewhat Accurate - Mark Eby - 9/8/2003 1:44:16 AM
        
        Nolo Contendre - Fox - 9/8/2003 7:53:55 PM
        
        Fair Enough - Mark Eby - 9/9/2003 3:36:16 AM
        
        re: "Similarly, Saddam was required not to have WMD" & To Demonstrate It - Mary Anne - 9/7/2003 4:01:37 AM
        
        re: "Similarly, Saddam was required not to have WMD" & To Demonstrate It - gbaikie - 9/7/2003 6:27:12 AM
        
        re: "Similarly, Saddam was required not to have WMD" & To Demonstrate It - Tom Brosz - 9/7/2003 4:50:17 AM
        
        Burning down the house - Mary Anne - 9/7/2003 3:04:18 PM
        
        re: Burning down the house - gbaikie - 9/7/2003 9:52:54 PM
        
        He Never Fully Cooperated Mary-Anne (n/t) - Mark Eby - 9/7/2003 9:41:34 PM
- Speech - Tom Brosz - 9/5/2003 9:56:08 PM
  - re: Speech - alcaray - 9/5/2003 10:28:51 PM
- "we're in danger of failing" - FrankC - 9/5/2003 9:23:37 PM
- And the answer is - Robert - 9/5/2003 5:52:00 PM
  - ruinous - FrankC - 9/5/2003 9:13:52 PM
    - re: ruinous - Robert - 9/5/2003 10:39:13 PM
    - And you blame us for making moral equivalence arguements? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/5/2003 9:29:35 PM
      - That's a cop out - FrankC - 9/5/2003 9:39:26 PM
        
        Quite so! - alcaray - 9/5/2003 10:13:22 PM
        
        re: Quite so! - Greg - 9/6/2003 2:43:27 AM
    - re: ruinous - Tom Brosz - 9/5/2003 9:26:18 PM
  - Oh, please Robert....will you STOP already?? - Lindy - 9/5/2003 6:47:17 PM
    - re: Oh, please Robert....will you STOP already?? - maleek jackson - 10/30/2003 10:51:00 PM

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