Grenades are very indiscriminate, Mary Anne

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Grenades are very indiscriminate, Mary Anne

Larry J — 9/5/2004 11:18:10 PM (archived)

Seriously, you can hurt yourself with your own grenade as easily as hurting someone else. That's a self-inflicted wound and it happens quite often. It's no different from being hit by a richocheting bullet. Purely an accident, but self-inflicted just the same. It's a far cry from someone deliberately injuring themself to get out of combat.

From what everyone from the Swiftboat vets on down has said, it appears Kerry's first Purple Heart came as the result of fragments from his own grenade. In his book, "Tour of Duty", there's a reference from a date about a week later where he said that they "had not yet been under fire." If true, then his first Purple Heart was unearned because it didn't happen in combat. Any wound, even a self-inflicted one, during combat does qualify for a Purple Heart. No wound outside of combat qualifies, otherwise people would be getting them for training accidents.

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Ok time for our HZ duel. Atomic weapons at 40 paces. - Art Martin - 9/3/2004 5:58:01 PM
- I finally saw the interview - R.L. - 9/4/2004 7:01:19 AM
- Chris deserves to be bitch slapped for the way he treated Michelle Malkin - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 4:25:48 AM
  - So why didn't the bitch slap him herself? - Mary Anne - 9/4/2004 4:56:24 PM
    - There are better ways to bitchslap someone nowadays. - Tom Brosz - 9/4/2004 8:40:12 PM
      - Malkin's attempt to imply otherwise were equally obvious. - Mary Anne - 9/4/2004 9:27:38 PM
        
        Did you read the Hardball transcript? - Larry J - 9/6/2004 10:48:49 PM
        
        I read it - R.L. - 9/8/2004 2:35:53 AM
        
        Complaining about the use of proper terminology is absurd - Larry J - 9/8/2004 1:23:36 PM
        
        Yes, that seems to be the current right-wing viewpoint- all statements are open to politically convinient interpretation. - Davin L. - 9/8/2004 3:55:39 PM
        
        Why was he asking her about the book in the first place? - Larry J - 9/8/2004 4:25:57 PM
        
        Here ya go - Tony - 9/8/2004 5:40:42 PM
        
        And you still don't get it - Larry J - 9/8/2004 7:57:01 PM
        
        Good grief - Tony - 9/8/2004 8:06:08 PM
        
        Go read the bold face from the transcript - Larry J - 9/9/2004 7:39:25 PM
        
        One last time unto the breach - Tony - 9/9/2004 8:25:11 PM
        
        re: One last time unto the breach - gbaikie - 9/9/2004 10:38:44 PM
        
        This is part of a plot to drive Tony crazy, right? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/10/2004 12:40:56 AM
        
        It did. But I got better ;-) - Tony - 9/10/2004 3:15:25 PM
        
        re: It did. But I got better ;-) - gbaikie - 9/10/2004 7:30:05 PM
        
        You are turning into a cartoon (n/t) - alcaray - 9/10/2004 7:47:03 PM
        
        When presented with a clear statement of empirical fact, change the subject - Davin L. - 9/8/2004 5:25:32 PM
        
        re: When presented with a clear statement of empirical fact, change the subject - Larry J - 9/8/2004 8:21:49 PM
        
        Then, when people still refuse to concede a point to you when you are wrong, call them stupid - Davin L. - 9/9/2004 8:21:07 PM
        
        Yes, I have. And saw the video. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/6/2004 11:29:19 PM
        
        You should read the article Tom links to. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 9:42:19 PM
        
        I have. I have also considered the source, and watched her on video. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/4/2004 10:24:46 PM
    - Actually, Chris lied to her about why she was even there - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 5:16:05 PM
      - Another "What Mary Anne said" - Robert - 9/4/2004 6:28:13 PM
        
        "Asian Ann Coulter" - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/5/2004 5:34:46 AM
        
        I return what I'm given. - Mary Anne - 9/5/2004 7:55:10 PM
        
        You slay me, Techie - Robert - 9/5/2004 6:55:14 PM
        
        Techie's back on his high horse - Lindy - 9/8/2004 4:34:25 PM
        
        The transcript is clear - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 7:59:50 PM
        
        Ed, some people say you're a crack addict and you bugger sheep - Robert - 9/5/2004 4:39:03 AM
        
        No, you have what it takes to be a Kerry advisor. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/5/2004 4:18:22 PM
        
        rHow about this? "Ann Coulter is the blonde Michelle Malkin." - Mary Anne - 9/5/2004 2:59:30 PM
        
        What can I say? - Robert - 9/5/2004 6:44:35 PM
      - Oh, of course. Now why didn't *I* think of that? - Mary Anne - 9/4/2004 5:35:58 PM
        
        Since the commander of the boat on which Kerry was wounded - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 7:56:20 PM
        
        Why have charges not been brought? - Mary Anne - 9/4/2004 8:27:23 PM
        
        Accidentally wounding yourself is not a criminal offense - Larry J - 9/6/2004 2:09:36 AM
        
        Had she said "accidentally wounded himself", we wouldn't be having this conversation. - Mary Anne - 9/6/2004 2:49:11 AM
        
        Just because Mathews (and apparently you) don't like the term... - Larry J - 9/6/2004 6:39:09 PM
        
        Context also includes the audience. - Mary Anne - 9/6/2004 10:21:49 PM
        
        She wasn't on the show to discuss that book at all - Larry J - 9/6/2004 10:42:49 PM
        
        Your own post shows that she was trying to imply that Kerry intentionally wounded himself! - R.L. - 9/8/2004 2:50:24 AM
        
        She was saying something from a book written by someone else - Larry J - 9/8/2004 4:31:24 PM
        
        re: She was saying something from a book written by someone else - R.L. - 9/8/2004 7:08:52 PM
        
        re: She wasn't on the show to discuss that book at all - Mary Anne - 9/6/2004 11:28:13 PM
        
        Could it be that no one really gave a damn until Kerry made it a big deal - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 8:53:30 PM
        
        Fine! File charges today! - Mary Anne - 9/4/2004 9:34:56 PM
        
        'Throw the book at him' - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 9:44:15 PM
        
        Real evidence. - Mary Anne - 9/4/2004 10:27:29 PM
        
        You mean, unlike what Kerry offers? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/5/2004 4:19:02 PM
        
        Kerry is not the one making claims that counter the military record, you half witted blathering drunk idiot - Davin L. - 9/7/2004 5:21:13 PM
        
        You may have missed it, but Kerry's lies about Vietnam are now acknowledged by Kerry - ebnelson - 9/8/2004 9:51:23 PM
        
        "Self-inflicted" is NOT the same as "shooting yourself on purpose." Why doesn't that sink in? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/4/2004 8:41:09 PM
        
        It sure sounds like it though. - Mary Anne - 9/4/2004 9:32:01 PM
        
        Grenades are very indiscriminate, Mary Anne - Larry J - 9/5/2004 11:18:10 PM
        
        I understand that. - Mary Anne - 9/6/2004 2:57:37 AM
        
        Michelle was quoting the book, and incorrectly thought Chris had bothered to read it. - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 9:37:58 PM
        
        Understand me: I want this settled, one way or the other. - Mary Anne - 9/4/2004 10:33:23 PM
        
        His is the story that keeps changing, and since he has repeated his version for decades - ebnelson - 9/5/2004 4:21:32 PM
- Chris Mathews is a pompus ass who is in love with the sound of his own voice - Larry J - 9/3/2004 7:00:59 PM
  - re: Chris Mathews is a pompus ass who is in love with the sound of his own voice - Anne Thompson - 9/11/2004 7:06:10 AM
  - Try watching the interview - Tony - 9/3/2004 7:43:50 PM
  - and Miller didn't know this going in? What planet has he been living on? - Art Martin - 9/3/2004 7:41:37 PM
    - You're falling for the stereotypes - Larry J - 9/3/2004 8:57:39 PM
      - re: You're falling for the stereotypes - Art Martin - 9/3/2004 11:22:51 PM
      - Amazing - Tony - 9/3/2004 9:24:09 PM
        
        re: Amazing - Larry J - 9/3/2004 9:55:04 PM
- The saddest part is: - Davin L. - 9/3/2004 6:08:20 PM
  - do you mean Zell is sort of like algore calling the President a traitor in exactly so many words? - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 5:18:01 PM
  - corection - Davin L. - 9/3/2004 6:09:19 PM
- You know the answer. - Bowser - 9/3/2004 6:07:43 PM

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