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Mary Anne — 12/31/2006 1:45:25 PM (archived)

The US hasn't been universally blamed for instability in the Middle East in the past, except by the Arabs, until now. Now, having destabilized a major political unit and made a civil war possible there, we actually are responsible.

We had the sympathy of the world after 9/11. No more. You want a list? The list of our supporters is much shorter. Our major supporter, Tony Blair, has lost his support in his own country.

Military strenth exists not only to attack other people, but to create anxiety and to prevent other actions by enforced embargo. To invade Iran would be as foolish as invading Iraq, but for other reasons. But that's not even an option now. We have been just about played out. We need more people just to chew what's on our plate now. We couldn't invade New Orleans. Besides our people, what has this done to our equipment? And to what end?

This is a mess, from beginning to end. The only people happy about the outcome in Iraq are religious extremists. The Muslim extremists had the great good luck of the United States making their case for them that we are the enemy of Muslims, and the Christian extremists can take comfort in the fact that Armageddon grows a little closer every day.

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another interesting factoid - Yeti - 12/17/2006 6:39:43 PM
- You know... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/19/2006 8:49:31 AM
  - Again with the oil. *tsk* - Mary Anne - 12/19/2006 11:52:43 PM
    - A bit of honesty and 'realism' - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/20/2006 1:35:37 AM
      - So does that mean... - Mary Anne - 12/21/2006 1:37:26 AM
        
        Equilibrium. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/21/2006 5:52:10 AM
        
        re: Equilibrium. - FrankC - 12/31/2006 6:44:29 PM
        
        Oh yea. Gun Kata. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/2/2007 6:52:53 PM
  - Starting to sound a little like... - alcaray - 12/19/2006 9:49:32 PM
  - Don't Think So - M.A.E. - 12/19/2006 5:37:06 PM
- re: another interesting factoid - TB - 12/18/2006 8:57:33 PM
  - You want to speculate about Afghanistan? - Mary Anne - 12/30/2006 5:41:01 AM
    - re: You want to speculate about Afghanistan? - TB - 12/30/2006 11:02:39 PM
      - Agreed, that the Middle East wouldn't be stable anyway. - Mary Anne - 12/31/2006 1:28:09 AM
        
        re: Agreed, that the Middle East wouldn't be stable anyway. - TB - 12/31/2006 7:28:16 AM
        
        re: Agreed, that the Middle East wouldn't be stable anyway. - Mary Anne - 12/31/2006 1:45:25 PM
        
        And you know what? I do want that list. - TB - 12/31/2006 11:47:02 PM
        
        re: Agreed, that the Middle East wouldn't be stable anyway. - TB - 12/31/2006 11:36:41 PM
        
        OK, fine. The US is a misunderstood hero saint with superpowers. - Mary Anne - 1/1/2007 1:29:14 AM
        
        Not to drift too far off the point... - TB - 1/1/2007 11:42:56 PM
        
        re: OK, fine. The US is a misunderstood hero saint with superpowers. - gbaikie - 1/1/2007 4:25:13 AM
        
        We pay less at the pump than anybody. - Mary Anne - 1/1/2007 5:28:09 AM
        
        re: We pay less at the pump than anybody. - gbaikie - 1/1/2007 8:24:17 AM
        
        Saudi Arabia - Mary Anne - 1/1/2007 2:04:10 PM
        
        re: Saudi Arabia - gbaikie - 1/3/2007 12:10:09 AM
  - Well, that was a waste of time. (n/t) - TB - 12/30/2006 12:30:27 AM
  - re: another interesting factoid - D-Man - 12/18/2006 11:54:13 PM
- Take it to another board. (n/t) - TB - 12/18/2006 3:37:53 PM
  - Probably correct - Yeti - 12/18/2006 3:40:29 PM
- Are There Any Intellectual Honest Liberals Left Here? - M.A.E. - 12/18/2006 3:12:35 PM
  - How about "You're both wrong, because you're both dealing in absolutes" (n/t) - Tony - 12/29/2006 6:16:41 PM
    - A Question This Simple Is An Absolute - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 6:44:51 PM
      - Yes, because you are both wrong. - Tony - 12/29/2006 7:04:52 PM
        
        Honesty At Last - M.A.E, - 12/29/2006 7:33:20 PM
        
        Well that was civil - Tony - 12/29/2006 7:59:33 PM
        
        Well I'm Still Confused - M.A.E. - 12/30/2006 12:01:30 AM
  - After 9 Days The Count Is Still 0 - M.A.E. - 12/27/2006 4:26:27 PM
    - I was embarrassed for you - Robert - 12/29/2006 6:05:34 PM
      - I Really Doubt That - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 6:58:42 PM
        
        You owe me an apology - Robert - 12/29/2006 7:44:13 PM
        
        Hey Robert, how is that IGNORE button coming along? (n/t) - Laurie Street - 12/30/2006 2:18:46 AM
        
        Not NEARLY fast enough! - Robert - 12/30/2006 4:21:02 PM
        
        How about now? Is it ready Yet? (n/t) - Yeti - 1/3/2007 10:40:31 PM
        
        Don't Worry, I Won't Use It To Hide From You - M.A.E. - 1/4/2007 3:48:22 AM
        
        Now That Was A Poster Child For Either Dishonesty or Alzheimers - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 11:54:10 PM
        
        Make my day - Robert - 12/30/2006 5:08:53 PM
        
        re: Make my day - M.A.E. - 12/30/2006 11:37:34 PM
        
        What Is Wrong With You? - M.A.E. - 12/30/2006 11:04:08 PM
    - Whether someone answers you is not a measure of honesty. - Mary Anne - 12/28/2006 3:55:10 PM
      - The Measure Is Tacit Support For Dishonesty - M.A.E. - 12/28/2006 5:46:58 PM
        
        You are not going to provoke me today. - Mary Anne - 12/28/2006 8:27:31 PM
        
        Only Want To Provoke You To Think - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 1:36:50 PM
        
        So what do you want from moderators? Editorial function? - Mary Anne - 12/29/2006 1:43:40 PM
        
        What I Want Is Honesty Not Eternal and Continuous Vigilence - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 1:58:55 PM
        
        "my attempts to do so can infuriate people" - Tony - 12/29/2006 3:18:35 PM
        
        Thanks For The Advice But - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 6:22:38 PM
        
        Read the titles of your first response to DL and the first post you made in this branch - Tony - 12/29/2006 6:51:27 PM
        
        As I Stated DL Was An Exception - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 7:04:10 PM
        
        Being somewhat smarter than fish, we've learned not to take your bait. - Fox - 12/28/2006 6:53:49 PM
        
        You Haven't Learned Anything - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 1:18:30 PM
        
        "Dishonesty breads contempt." - R.L. - 12/29/2006 3:55:54 PM
        
        Mistaken Again - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 6:05:17 PM
        
        to accuse the moderators of loafing around is unfair... (n/t) - R.L. - 12/29/2006 3:57:49 PM
        
        Sorry If It Came Across That Way - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 7:36:42 PM
        
        You want contempt? I'll start correcting your spelling. - Mary Anne - 12/29/2006 1:33:46 PM
        
        Mis-spellings are the yeast of his problems... - R.L. - 12/29/2006 4:13:28 PM
        
        Come On RL - M.A.E. - 12/31/2006 3:47:41 AM
        
        re: Mis-spellings are the yeast of his problems... - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 6:17:00 PM
        
        Go Ahead - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 1:43:33 PM
        
        My fault: I don't care about your ire. - Mary Anne - 12/29/2006 1:58:27 PM
        
        Affirmation? - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 2:30:31 PM
        
        PS: Those Are Typos Not Misspellings (n/t) - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 2:32:27 PM
    - More a question of not letting an... - alcaray - 12/27/2006 4:48:41 PM
      - re: More a question of not letting an... - M.A.E. - 12/28/2006 5:33:01 PM
        
        In case I was not clear: - alcaray - 12/28/2006 5:55:16 PM
        
        Name Calling? - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 1:26:29 PM
        
        I directed the word at someone who called me dishonest. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/29/2006 4:49:54 PM
        
        Where? - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 6:11:30 PM
        
        I realize that showing you a bit of logic is a waste of time but what the heck - alcaray - 12/29/2006 6:23:52 PM
        
        Faulty Logic Again - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 6:41:29 PM
        
        I saw the same thing alcaray saw. - Mary Anne - 12/30/2006 5:12:35 AM
        
        Of Course You Did - M.A.E. - 12/30/2006 11:29:42 PM
        
        Listen: - Mary Anne - 12/31/2006 1:09:10 AM
        
        Let's Make It Even Simpler - M.A.E. - 12/31/2006 3:42:38 AM
        
        Simpler - Mary Anne - 12/31/2006 6:19:07 AM
        
        Well Thanks For The Answer - M.A.E. - 1/1/2007 3:27:57 AM
        
        You And A Lot Of Others Are Going To A Huge Effort To Make Excuses For Avoiding A Simple Question - M.A,E, - 12/31/2006 3:36:07 AM
        
        Shoulda gone with my gut. Happy New Year, buddy. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/29/2006 6:54:03 PM
        
        Happy New Year Too You Too (n/t) - M.A.E. - 12/29/2006 7:01:06 PM
  - After 4 days the count is 0. - M.A.E. - 12/21/2006 10:38:52 PM
  - Why golly gee Iddy Mae..... - end transmission - 12/19/2006 2:41:19 AM
    - It's Starting To Appear That Way - M.A.E. - 12/19/2006 5:33:22 PM
- re: another interesting factoid - REB - 12/18/2006 2:01:25 PM
  - correct - Yeti - 12/18/2006 2:57:15 PM
    - re: corrected html - Yeti - 12/18/2006 3:00:26 PM
      - re: corrected html - TB - 12/30/2006 12:29:16 AM
  - Wow I Missed That One - M.A.E. - 12/18/2006 2:48:14 PM
- contrast with: threat saddam 2003 site:www.habitablezone.com - Yeti - 12/18/2006 5:06:11 AM
- You're Lying Or Innacurate Again - M.A,E, - 12/18/2006 3:14:18 AM
  - Usually I ignore you, but since you just insulted me on community - Yeti - 12/18/2006 4:53:20 AM
    - What I Did Was Catch You Red Handed - M.A.E. - 12/18/2006 3:07:07 PM
      - *Yawn*. Yeti codes of honor refuse to allow me to engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed.... - Yeti - 12/18/2006 3:12:10 PM
        
        It's Quite Obvious You Have No Honor - M.A.E. - 12/18/2006 3:14:19 PM
        
        ROTFLMAO - Laughing Yeti - 12/18/2006 3:16:50 PM
        
        Do You Enjoy Looking And Acting Stupid? - M.A.E. - 12/18/2006 5:44:13 PM
        
        See my prior remarks to you (n/t) - Yeti - 12/18/2006 6:05:11 PM
        
        Well You Learned At Least 1 out of 5 Lessons - M.A.E. - 12/18/2006 6:23:53 PM
        
        See my prior remarks to you. (n/t) - Yet - 12/18/2006 6:30:05 PM
        
        Good Application of Rule 5 But - M.A.E. - 12/18/2006 7:00:51 PM
  - How do you feel now? - R.L. - 12/18/2006 4:16:11 AM
    - re: How do you feel now? - M.A.E. - 12/18/2006 2:55:13 PM

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