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Why we are not safer. - Chris Vancil - 9/16/2004 6:39:09 AM
- Ports - Tom Brosz - 9/16/2004 5:58:37 PM
  - re: Yes, Ports - Chris Vancil - 9/16/2004 10:11:14 PM
  - re: Ports - REB - 9/16/2004 7:47:48 PM
    - Nuclear detection - Art Martin - 9/17/2004 11:27:28 PM
- Congratulations Chris, you elicited a response from Larry, Curley, and Moe.......... (n/t) - Publius - 9/16/2004 2:11:53 PM
  - re: Yeah and my last name is now word meaning patriot... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 7:36:13 AM
  - Heh, heh. And such constructive comments, succinct, pithy even. - Bowser - 9/16/2004 2:36:13 PM
  - Can I be Curley? Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk - REB - 9/16/2004 2:34:41 PM
- re: John Kerry would protect us from cargo ships? - Scott Evil - 9/16/2004 1:15:20 PM
  - re: Yes. He would actually spend money instend of spending words He doesn't have the Neocon's agenda. You don't look to closely at Bush international trade agenda did you..before you posted nonsense? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/16/2004 4:53:35 PM
- Why do you keep spamming what is obviously false? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/16/2004 12:05:56 PM
  - Because he has nothing else. - REB - 9/16/2004 12:30:30 PM

Ran Rather's source - Scott Evil - 9/17/2004 2:29:02 PM
- He is a retired, mentally ill Army guy - ebnelson - 9/17/2004 2:47:48 PM
  - are you guys talking about Colin Powell? lol - Art Martin - 9/17/2004 10:41:21 PM
- re: Ran Rather's source - REB - 9/17/2004 2:34:27 PM
  - According to Rather, they've been investigating this story for 5 years - Larry J - 9/17/2004 2:49:26 PM
    - re: Then the documents suddenly appear: As if from a puff of smoke. - Scott Evil - 9/17/2004 3:01:22 PM
      - And CBS is still trying to twist this into a claim that has validity (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/17/2004 9:04:09 PM
    - Rather as Capt. Queeg or Nixon - ebnelson - 9/17/2004 2:52:11 PM
      - Dan "Ahab" Rather will get that George "Moby" Bush if it's the last thing he does. Aaaargh! (n/t) - Lee - 9/17/2004 5:38:33 PM

Senior US military officers now believe the war on Iraq has turned into a disaster - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 8:28:29 AM
- re: Sid Blumenthal does it again. a few retired generals and college professers are now "Senior US Military officers" - Scott Evil - 9/17/2004 2:01:45 PM
  - re:When you side step the actual issue most people notice, Scott... - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 9:42:35 PM
  - re:Yes well I've quoted active duty officer who say it's real bad...tonight I will post another if I find it... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 9:36:48 PM
  - And who besides Bushie says it's going well? Best case scenario - "continuing instability". - Bowser - 9/17/2004 3:47:06 PM

The gates of Hell are open in Iraq (or how we are losing ground) - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 8:22:13 AM
- re: 50 attacks a day!!! Where's Don's deathcounts? - Scott Evil - 9/17/2004 2:06:18 PM
  - re: You either are clueless or didn't read the article and all the other similar articles. Iraq is a disaster! - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 9:34:33 PM
  - " - -- the number of U.S. war dead -- now over 1,025 -- is climbing at a faster rate than any time since major combat ended." - Bowser - 9/17/2004 4:10:11 PM
  - re: Where's Don? (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/17/2004 2:48:20 PM
    - re: Hope he wasn't in the Panhandle of Florida. - Scott Evil - 9/17/2004 2:50:36 PM
      - Diametrically opposite - Robert - 9/17/2004 3:12:44 PM
        
        I wonder if he got stomped in a bar - Gary - 9/17/2004 5:26:07 PM
  - re: 50 attacks a day!!! Where's Don's deathcounts? - REB - 9/17/2004 2:23:56 PM
    - re: Luckily there is only 45 days left until the election. - Scott Evil - 9/17/2004 2:45:58 PM

And in case you think this Iraq Civil War stuff is new... - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 8:07:09 AM
- re:This is the same CIA who's worst case senarios had Sadam surrounded by WMD. - Scott Evil - 9/17/2004 2:08:16 PM
  - re: Yes, and Bush ran with it for his own agenda and will again if give four years more, but... - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 9:29:09 PM

Kerry not on topic - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 4:05:06 PM
- He is doing the best he can (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/17/2004 7:16:52 PM
  - yeah, I know, and its pretty pathetic (n/t) - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 8:10:53 PM
    - Well, he isnot my guy. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/17/2004 8:37:35 PM

A former CBS Staffer finds another important document - ebnelson - 9/17/2004 8:35:28 PM

Ah, Rumsfeld's Army - Re-up for 3 years, or go to Iraq. - Bowser - 9/16/2004 8:31:41 PM
- That is what happens during war. Soldiers have to stay. Hello...anyone home? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/17/2004 7:18:24 PM
- I see two anonymous guys complaining. You got anything else? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2004 12:21:24 AM
  - You don't believe it? - Bowser - 9/17/2004 1:02:34 AM
    - So, what was your call on over 200 Swift Boat Veterans? - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2004 1:06:29 AM
      - re: Got some questions for you: How many are actually vets?... - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 7:41:23 AM
      - Run a search - I didn't have a dog in that fight, either. - Bowser - 9/17/2004 1:16:10 AM

"U.S. Intelligence Shows Pessimism on Iraq's Future" - (but everything has been going so well for so long!) - Bowser - 9/16/2004 2:50:35 PM
- Do You Or Kerry Have a Real Solution? - Mark Eby - 9/17/2004 1:04:08 AM
- "how could this happen, all at once, after everything has been going so well for so long?" - Tom Brosz - 9/16/2004 5:31:24 PM
  - Be objective Tom - Art Martin - 9/16/2004 9:47:44 PM
    - re: Be objective - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2004 12:25:03 AM
      - Can't seem to find bailing out mentioned - Art Martin - 9/17/2004 6:03:52 PM
  - For crying out loud, Tom. It's George W.ar, leading his tribe out into the desert. - Bowser - 9/16/2004 8:40:58 PM
    - re: For crying out loud - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2004 12:27:26 AM
      - Saddam was gone long, long before Bush said "Bring 'em on!" (n/t) - Bowser - 9/17/2004 1:05:24 AM
  - The last major National Intelligence report on Iraq - Tom Brosz - 9/16/2004 5:35:03 PM
- Where the war plan failed - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 3:45:00 PM

Saddam had WMD program in place - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 2:10:06 PM
- re: Saddam had WMD program in place - REB - 9/17/2004 2:16:34 PM
  - re: The fact is they wern't there when we said they were. - Scott Evil - 9/17/2004 2:36:37 PM
    - The fact is Saddam would have begun manufacture the first chance he got - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 5:50:48 PM

On forgeries, and future dangers - R.L. - 9/17/2004 6:50:12 AM
- Truth will then truly become perception... - FrankC - 9/17/2004 5:19:23 PM
- re: On forgeries, and future dangers - Larry J - 9/17/2004 2:41:41 PM
- re: That's why CBS's defense that the "substance" of the memos outweighs their "authanticity" is a disaster for network news - Scott Evil - 9/17/2004 1:54:51 PM

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." More of what they promised. (You know why the UN didn't find 'em?) - Bowser - 9/17/2004 4:05:34 PM

Ivan eye bigger than Mobile Bay - FrankC - 9/16/2004 12:53:15 AM
- How'd You Make Out Frank? - Mark Eby - 9/16/2004 4:08:51 PM
  - Piece of cake - FrankC - 9/17/2004 2:38:37 AM
    - Good to see you, Frank! - Mary Anne - 9/17/2004 1:20:52 PM
      - Oh yeah - FrankC - 9/17/2004 2:31:09 PM
    - re: Piece of cake - Lindy - 9/17/2004 4:49:52 AM
  - He may be one of those without electricity - Larry J - 9/16/2004 4:32:45 PM
    - I'm Afraid My Cisco Friend's Beach House On ONO Island Will Be Heavily Damaged If Not Destroyed - Mark Eby - 9/17/2004 12:40:35 AM
- Hoping you have made it OK through the night. - ebnelson - 9/16/2004 12:08:24 PM
- Be safe Frank (n/t) - Art Martin - 9/16/2004 5:12:35 AM
- Ya gotta be thinking good thoughts for the folks in the Red Zone!!! - Bowser - 9/16/2004 3:03:14 AM
- Best of luck. Our thoughts are with all of you down there in range. - Beth - 9/16/2004 2:03:15 AM
  - Joining the ranks of humanity under the power of Ivan - Lindy - 9/16/2004 3:10:27 AM
    - Better lucky than smart - FrankC - 9/17/2004 2:51:44 AM
      - Generators - Lindy - 9/17/2004 4:56:22 AM

'Mad Dan's Noble Lie' - Larry J - 9/16/2004 7:23:37 PM
- Documents removed from trash can during attempted coverup - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 1:57:46 AM
  - The guy has a track record - Larry J - 9/17/2004 1:46:48 PM
    - The set up - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 2:16:09 PM
      - re: The set up - REB - 9/17/2004 2:20:56 PM
- If the documents are forgeries, and it is certainly looking like they are... - R.L. - 9/16/2004 9:43:48 PM
  - pulling a Vancil - phil - 9/16/2004 11:03:29 PM
    - I could have just as easily said 'pulling an ebnelson' - R.L. - 9/17/2004 6:32:36 AM

Possible Saddam-Al Qaeda Link Seen in U.N. Oil-for-Food Program - REB - 9/17/2004 12:11:48 PM

U.S., allies reject Annan's description of Iraq war as â€˜illegalâ€™ - Bowser - 9/16/2004 4:47:58 PM
- The U.N. stands for "Utterly No-good". (n/t) - Jacob Samorodin - 9/16/2004 9:01:15 PM
  - re: Annan has a point - Raoul - 9/16/2004 9:27:11 PM
    - The Flaws In Your Arguements Have Been Pointed Out Many Times - Mark Eby - 9/17/2004 1:13:48 AM
      - re: 1441 does NOT authorize the use of force - Raoul - 9/17/2004 5:44:59 AM
        
        Read 1441 Not Some Editorial - Mark Eby - 9/17/2004 10:28:28 AM
        
        re: 1441 does NOT authorize the use of force - gbaikie - 9/17/2004 6:34:36 AM
      - re: The Flaws In Your Arguements Have Been Pointed Out Many Times - gbaikie - 9/17/2004 2:33:29 AM
    - Yes! And I'm sure Annan meant what he said, but he has no power to enforce them....Bring back the League of Nations! (n/t) - Jacob Samorodin - 9/16/2004 10:02:38 PM

(Iraq) Rebuilding on hold - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 8:38:34 AM

US intelligence fears Iraq civil war by 2005 - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 8:03:07 AM

Al Qaeda Working Freely in Post-War Iraq - Chris Vancil - 9/16/2004 7:03:22 AM
- Well, since Saddam was in fact training and financing terrorists, the first assertion is false. - ebnelson - 9/16/2004 12:00:07 PM
  - re:Evidence? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/16/2004 4:49:36 PM
  - Our forces did find terrorist cells in Iraq, and they were not new ones. - REB - 9/16/2004 12:22:52 PM
    - What again does any of this have to do with if we have created a Terrorist breeding ground or not? - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 7:50:54 AM
    - re: Your evidence? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/17/2004 7:43:25 AM
    - re: Saddam tortured religious leaders fo years - Raoul - 9/16/2004 8:29:03 PM
      - So? Radical Arabs seem to like torture like ducks like water. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/16/2004 11:03:00 PM

Monolithic dome home will take a direct hit by Ivan - Jack Herer - 9/15/2004 7:00:01 PM
- Any news how this dome home made it through Hurricane Ivan?? (n/t) - Lindy - 9/17/2004 5:01:25 AM
- I visited one under construction last year - Larry J - 9/15/2004 7:47:22 PM
  - re: Question concerning foam/cement construction - Scott Evil - 9/15/2004 10:12:51 PM
    - re: Question concerning foam/cement construction - Tom Brosz - 9/15/2004 10:58:29 PM
      - contruction process - Eric - 9/16/2004 1:08:20 AM
- Except for wind "catching" in the overhangs, it looks like a great place. - Bowser - 9/15/2004 7:12:54 PM
  - I wonder if they have a "shutter" of some type that closes it up - Lindy - 9/16/2004 3:35:24 AM

Court order for W Bush ANG records - E.P. Gorndine - 9/16/2004 11:25:49 PM
- re: Court order for W Bush ANG records - gbaikie - 9/17/2004 2:21:10 AM
- Documents retrieved from trash can during attempted cover-up - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 11:30:10 PM
  - Could it be that his mental illness manifested as delusions of coverup? - ebnelson - 9/17/2004 1:57:45 AM
    - I don't know the details of it, but we'll all find out soon enough (n/t) - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 2:02:05 AM

"Most senior US military officers now believe the war on Iraq has turned into a disaster on an unprecedented scale " - Bowser - 9/16/2004 9:01:42 PM
- 'Bring them on!" President Bush challenged the early Iraqi insurgency in July of last year. Since then, 812 American soldiers have been killed and 6,290 wounded, according to the Pentagon (n/t) - Bowser - 9/17/2004 12:58:01 AM
  - Retired general William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency, told me: "Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends." (n/t) - Bowser - 9/17/2004 12:59:38 AM
    - Jeffrey Record, professor of strategy at the Air War College, said: "I see no ray of light on the horizon at all. The worst case has become true. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/17/2004 1:12:56 AM

The New York Times says its piece - Tom Brosz - 9/15/2004 11:37:11 PM
- Closing in on Burkett? - Tom Brosz - 9/16/2004 3:01:25 AM
- Then by thsi standard, the Swift Boat Vets are bona fide truthsayers - ebnelson - 9/16/2004 12:00:36 AM
  - re: Surprise! Surprise! So you don't actually believe the Swift Boaters for Lies??? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/16/2004 12:05:09 AM
    - No, if you read for content, I said by that standard - ebnelson - 9/16/2004 1:14:40 AM
      - re: It's the "bona fide truthsayers" that clue one into your actual belief, Ed. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/16/2004 10:25:17 PM
- If they're willing to accept 'fake but accurate' documents... - Larry J - 9/15/2004 11:42:25 PM
  - re: 'fake but accurate' - Tom Brosz - 9/15/2004 11:55:41 PM
    - Good cartoon - Larry J - 9/16/2004 12:03:47 AM

this just in to CBS News: We have obtained a secret Memo showing that the Bush Administration has plans to invade Cuba shortly after the election in November. (n/t) - Dan Rather - 9/15/2004 5:06:22 PM
- The URL, 65.101.83.93, belongs to Scott Evil. Why are you afraid to reveal your identity, Scott? (n/t) - Jacob Samorodin - 9/16/2004 9:12:32 PM
- Robert - any chance of easily blocking this nonsense? (n/t) - Bowser - 9/15/2004 5:54:53 PM
  - It's just Scott Evil displaying his usual adolescent wit - Robert - 9/16/2004 2:55:06 PM
  - I gotta back off, Robert. Never mind. - Bowser - 9/15/2004 7:52:56 PM
  - re: Must have hit close to home. Do you work for CBS News? - Scott Evil - 9/15/2004 7:06:30 PM
  - Wouldn't start clamoring for blocking nonsense if I were you... ;) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/15/2004 6:56:32 PM
    - Phony named nonsense in post after post? A True Believers favorite trick, I know. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/15/2004 7:14:01 PM
      - I will agree that phony names are annoying. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/15/2004 7:28:06 PM
    - You read my mind. - REB - 9/15/2004 7:00:51 PM
      - THAT's a good one!!! - Bowser - 9/15/2004 7:14:44 PM
- re: Now turning to other news...Another memo leaked to CBS News shows that a Top Administration Official is to announce that Osama Bin Ladin has been captured shortly before the election. (n/t) - Dan Rather - 9/15/2004 5:13:20 PM
  - re: Unnamed Sources also tell CBS news that Bush has fixed the World Series. It will be the Cardinals in Game 6. Thus wining Bush the Critical state of Missouri. (n/t) - Dan Rather - 9/15/2004 5:36:44 PM
    - In closing today, you may have noticed that this reporter is wearing a tinfoil hat. Well there is a reason for that. Bush has met with Aliens who are using mind control against CBS News. (n/t) - Dan Rather - 9/15/2004 5:46:08 PM

Anybody heard anything from John Kerry lately? - Scott Evil - 9/16/2004 1:45:42 PM
- Wekll, hello, Scott Evil [aka: 'Dan Rather']! Go over to the Flame Board. (n/t) - Jacob Samorodin - 9/16/2004 9:03:32 PM
- Who? - REB - 9/16/2004 7:38:59 PM
  - That skinny guy from Massachusetts; not the fat one. ;-) (n/t) - Jacob Samorodin - 9/16/2004 8:59:50 PM
- re: Anybody heard anything from John Kerry lately? - gbaikie - 9/16/2004 7:21:23 PM
- re: Yes in the Media... - Chris Vancil - 9/16/2004 4:48:07 PM
- Kerry is going to speak to the NAtional Guard today - ebnelson - 9/16/2004 3:14:43 PM
- He came out of hiding from interviews to go on Imus yesterday - p - 9/16/2004 1:51:58 PM
  - re: I saw that...And Imus is one of Kerry's few supporters. - Scott Evil - 9/16/2004 1:56:21 PM
    - Wasn't Kerry supposed to speak to the National Guard convention yesterday - Larry J - 9/16/2004 2:02:38 PM
      - Just found the answer - he speaks there today - Larry J - 9/16/2004 2:25:56 PM

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